Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!chinet!magik From: magik@chinet.UUCP (Ben Liberman) Newsgroups: net.micro.mac Subject: Re: CAD/PC layout wanted for mac Message-ID: <316@chinet.UUCP> Date: Thu, 1-May-86 00:39:55 EDT Article-I.D.: chinet.316 Posted: Thu May 1 00:39:55 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 2-May-86 08:56:25 EDT Reply-To: magik@chinet.UUCP (Ben Liberman) Distribution: net Organization: chinet, Public Access UN*X, Chicago IL Lines: 106 [ ] What follows is a copy of my original request and most of the replies that I received. Thanks to all who responded. Ben Liberman ihnp4!chinet!magik or ihnp4!homebru!magik ---------------------------------------- > I'm looking for recomendations/info on software. I want a mac at work and > to justify it I have to come up with at least a program to do drafting and > ploting (size C). It'd be nice to be able to do printed circuit layout > (and if I had my wish, auto-routing) ---------------------------------------- I don't know much about the subject, but 'PCB Design' or McCAD (same program goes by different names) is capable of 4-layer PCB work and can send it to ImageWriter, LaserWriter, or Houstom DMP Plotter. Looked fairly extensive, though the screen update was sometimes slow. Hope this helps a little...let me know if you want more info. -Chris ------- Chris Borton, UC San Diego Undergraduate CS; Micro Consultant, UCSD borton@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU || ...!{ucbvax,decvax,noscvax,ihnp4,bang}!sdcsvax!borton ---------------------------------------- If you find anything, PUHLEASE either write me a note or post a followup. We could REALLY use something like this at Reed... The thing that would be really nice is to have it generate film directly on a Laserwriter -- we've been doing this with MacDraw, which seems to be a physically ok setup, but obviously a pain in the caboose to actually lay out a pc board in MacDraw... Bart Massey ..tektronix!reed!bart BTW, for drafting schemos, I've put together a set of MacDraw objects to cover most of the common stuff, which provides a nice interim solution. Let me know if you want a copy... ---------------------------------------- The two PC layout systems I am familiar with are from Bishop Graphics (L.A. area) and VAMP (Colorado). Both are pretty crufty, the Bishop Graphics system especially so- once you put a trace down, it can't be edited like a polygon in MacDraw can be; you must ungroup the trace into independent segments, then delete and redraw the ones you want to change! Its not clear how much better the VAMP system is. I've briefly played with a schematic capture program called ParaGenesis from someplace in Colorado, and it was a lose. None of the CAD software available on a MAC comes close to the many systems available on IBM PC's I'm afraid to say. If you find any others, or any decent schematic capture systems, let me or the net know. --------------------------------------- Ben - Here are some sources for CAE/CAD systems for the Mac. Unfortunately I do not have any experience with any of them. Hope this helps. If you do happen to get any of these I'd appreciate some feedback on them. Jeff Wallace {decvax,ucbvax}!trwrb!felix!jeff FileNet Corp. Costa Mesa, CA Quik Circuit -- PC Board Design system Bishop Graphics Box 5007 Westlake Village, CA 91359 818-991-2600 ParaGenesis -- Electronic Design Software Advanced Engineering Solutions, Inc. 75 Manhattan Drive, Suite 302 Boulder, Colorado 80303 303-499-2910 PAD -- CAE package for Macintosh & Lisa 2 Rune Software Suite 214 80 Eureka Square Pacifica, CA 94044 415-355-4851 McCAD -- PCB CAD Workstation for the Mac VAMP Inc. P.O. Box 411 Los Angeles, CA 90028 213-466-5533 MICRO-CAP II -- Analog simulation Spectrum Software 1021 S. Wolfe Road Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-738-4387 ---------------------------------------------