Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!ucbvax!jade!ucbiris!michael From: michael@ucbiris.berkeley.edu (Tom Slone [(415)486-5954]) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.misc,net.rumor Subject: Re: The Presidents how I feel they rate in history Message-ID: <709@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Fri, 16-May-86 15:53:12 EDT Article-I.D.: jade.709 Posted: Fri May 16 15:53:12 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 19-May-86 06:49:20 EDT References: <133@petrus.UUCP> <513@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU> Sender: usenet@jade.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: michael@ucbiris.UUCP (Tom Slone [(415)486-5954]) Distribution: net Organization: Lawrence-Berkeley Labs, Carcinogenic Potency Program Lines: 76 Xref: watmath net.politics:16078 net.misc:9638 net.rumor:2401 In article <513@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU> speter@trillian.UUCP (Peter Osgood) writes: >In article <133@petrus.UUCP> jfs@petrus.UUCP (Jack Stanley) writes: > >>I will rate each president with a 1 to 10. And I thing it would be >> >>great ( That should be I THINK) to have opposing views on my thoughts. > >Gee! I'm so glad you asked. > >JACK STANLEY'S OPINION PETER OSGOOD'S OPINION >>Thomas Jefferson 8 9; I would have given him a 10 > but for his belief that only the > "Wise, welborn and worthy" should > govern. (that is a direct quote) 7 - A great exponent of democracy, but hypocritical for owning slaves. >>F D Roosevelt 9 9 maybe even a 10 5 - Knew of and tacitly encouraged the impending bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese. War criminal -- ordered the fire bombing of German cities which had no significant military value. >>Harry S Truman 8 10; if Barry Goldwater, a man who opposed > Truman while in office, says he's a 10 > I'm not going to argue 1 - Low intelligence, war criminal, mass murderer. He ordered the unnecessary atomic bombing of 2 Japanese cities, just as the Japanese were about to surrender. >>D D Eisenhower(sp) 6 4; joke(s) of the day were "wind up > an Ike doke and watch it do nothing"; > "wind up an Ike doll and watch it > throw out its back on the golf course"; > a well deserved reputation 3 - Tacitly encouraged McCarthy for much of his reign, but recognized the dangers of the military-industrial complex, just as he was unable to do anything about it. >>J F Kennedy 5 8; social reformer of the 60's; look > at Ronnie, he's still trying to take > credit for things JFK started; RR also > tries to compare himself to JFK 7 - Idealist that got shafted by the CIA/military intelligence establishment -- Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, possibly his own assassination >>L B Johnson 5 6; a little power hungry but was too > frequently submarined by his own > democatic congress (tried to end the > Vietnam War by saturation bombing of > N. Vietnam, this worked in Germany > WWII, but he was stopped short by > congress) 1 - War criminal, mass murderer -- escalated the Vietnam War. >>Richard M Nixon 6 7; I really don't like this man but > he was excellent when it came to making > decisions of foreign policy, not bad > with interal affirs either; had he not > lied and disgraced his office he would > probably go down as one of the best ever. 1 - Caught lying, war criminal, mass murderer -- needlessly extended the Vietnam War. >>Gerald Ford 5 6; restored honor to the office 1 - Pardoned a lier, crook & mass murderer for all unnamed crimes while committe in office. Even the unjustly convicted don't get pardons like this. >>Ronald Regan 6 6; so far, but dropping; bad foreign > policy; very very little regard for > social programs; elitist; totally > out of touch with the working class; 2 - Basically an honest dupe of the military industrial establishment. His cabinet is filled with crooks and people out for their own interest. Low intelligence (can only remember anecdotes, not facts, hence his superior acting ability). michael@ucbiris.berkeley.edu michael%ucbiris@berkeley.arpa {arizona|decwrl|decvax|hplabs|ihnp4|sun}!ucbvax!ucbiris!michael