Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!panda!husc6!harvard!seismo!munnari!mulga!isaac From: isaac@mulga.OZ (Isaac Balbin) Newsgroups: net.news Subject: Re: Towards making hosts and their admin free from a criminal offence Message-ID: <1259@mulga.OZ> Date: Mon, 19-May-86 19:52:02 EDT Article-I.D.: mulga.1259 Posted: Mon May 19 19:52:02 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 23-May-86 05:42:12 EDT References: <611@bu-cs.UUCP> <164@comp.lancs.ac.uk> <20663@styx.UUCP> Reply-To: isaac@mulga.OZ (Isaac Balbin) Distribution: net Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne Lines: 37 In article <20663@styx.UUCP> mcb@styx.UUCP (Michael C. Berch) writes: ! In article <164@comp.lancs.ac.uk> craig@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Craig Wylie) writes: ! > . . . ! ! > Simply because your actions aren't illegal where they are perpetrated ! > dosen't mean that you shouldn't consider their legality in all the places ! > where they are manifest. ! > ! > The concept of ! > ! > "I'll do what I like because I'm bigger than you and you ! > can't get me" ! > ! > has always been the cry of the bully and lout, these concepts ! > are out of place in an educated environment. ! ! Oh, balderdash. Mr. Shein's hostility toward self-censorship, which I ! share, is rooted not in "might makes right" but in the special place ! that freedom of expression occupies in the American soul. I'm deeply sorry ! that Europeans and others do not share the unbroken tradition of democracy ! and personal rights that we have enjoyed in the USA for the past two-plus ! centuries. But I'll be damned if we should let some brain-damaged French ! politicians tell us what we can and cannot say on the net and what ! subjects are legally proper to discuss. I'm with Barry. ! Without launching into a diatribe regarding your obviously all-american super-duper razza-mataz innate abundance of democracy and freedom to the exclusion of any lowly non-american bigoted freedom hater and democracy destroyer, which I do NOT think is the issue here, let me just say this. The facts are: (1) You CAN say what you want. (2) It MIGHT be illegal in some other country (3) Is it you or "usenet" or the system admin or whoever who is the vehicle for the illegal publication of your material? (4) If it is NOT you who is responsible, why should anyone else be? Please address this issue and not America Vs the_rest_of_the_world