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From: jj@alice.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.rumor,net.news.adm
Subject: Re: ading other peoples' mail
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Date: Sat, 3-May-86 00:00:00 EDT
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Several points:
	1)  net.news.adm is NOT the proper place to call John Gilmore an
asshole.  You may feel that way, but net.news.adm is NOT the place
to say so.  In fact, netnews of any sort isn't the place to say so.
Netnews isn't the place to suggest anything of the sort, like sending
someone lots of nasty mail, either.  <John?  You there?, That still
annoys me when I think about it, that being the first attempt on
the still fledgling nutnoise to censor someone and all.>
	2)  All of the flamage about "reading others' mail"
is silly.  UUCP links are NOT, repeat *N*O*T*, repeat *B*L*O*O*D*Y* 
*W*E*L*L* *N*O*T* private links put up for Unix (Tm AT&T) mail
users.  UUCP links are put up and supported strictly for whatever the
machine's owners want them supported for. No more, no less.  If they
tell you that they will examine mail, or put quotas on mail, or whatever
they say, you are BOUND to accept it, because they OWN the machine, they 
PAY for the machine, they have made NO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION whatsoever
to deliver or maintain the security of mail <except in the case of the
few public systems that have specifically agreed to such, and to whom
you PAY MONEY for the SERVICE that is not FREE>, and they have
no reason to accept you as a freeloader.  None!

Certainly computer mail is generally considered "sacred", but
that's only, simply, and strictly a matter of policy of the
machine's owner and operator, who can set any standard they like.
If you, the freeloader, don't like it, freeload somewhere else.
Naturally, if you're paying, then you can expect whatever contractual
obligations you have negotiated and paid for to be honored, on
those machines/owners who made the contractual obligations, and no others.

I don't own, operate, or adminiister any machines, so don't bother
sending my your harrassing, ill-considered, poorly thought out,
and pseudo-morally based garbage.

Stop calling people "assholes" on this public service while you're
at it.  Stop using administration groups for garbage postings, 
try using the "junk" nesgroup if you MUST try to waste our time
and money. 
-- 
TEDDY BEARS UNITE!  HUG A SHY PERSON TODAY!
"I wish I was home again, back home in my heart again, ..."

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