Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!uwvax!caip!lll-crg!hoptoad!gnu From: gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) Newsgroups: net.works,net.legal Subject: xeroX slime ad warning Message-ID: <719@hoptoad.uucp> Date: Mon, 21-Apr-86 13:08:01 EST Article-I.D.: hoptoad.719 Posted: Mon Apr 21 13:08:01 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 23-Apr-86 22:08:47 EST Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco Lines: 39 Xref: watmath net.works:1300 net.legal:3303 In the April issue of Byte, on page 140, is an ad for the xeroX 6085 "Professional Computer System". It's full of slime. Here's a sample, the first two paragraphs: " It's the first professional workstation and personal computer and communications terminal -- in one. " It's the first workstation ever with an enormous 19 inch bit map screen. With multiple windows that let you neatly display and process what used to clutter up your desk. Windows that can be stretched the entire width of the screen so you can see your work. And let you conduct numerous operations at the same time. Like running PC programs, running mainframe progreams or downloading selected data from host computers. And, integrating the results. Even copying or moving host data into PC spreadsheets, or PC spreadsheets into xeroX' special ViewPoint Document Editor. True integration! Any window to and from any window!" I'll leave it to the lawyers to figure out whether they can be sued for lying, or whether lying is covered under the leeway for "puff" advertising, but the ad is clearly full of lies. The Sun-2 and Sun-3 have had an "enormous" 19-inch bitmapped screen for several years, so xeroX is not "the first". With multiple windows, etc etc etc. With the right software and hardware, you can run PC programs, talk to mainframes, etc. You can copy things from any window to any other. Other vendors (eg HP, AT&T) certainly have a better claim to "the first professional workstation, personal computer, and communications terminal in one". In fact, the IBM PC/AT, Atari, and Amiga would be less wrong than xeroX in making this claim. It's sad to see that since xeroX can't make it because of inability to get its shit together, they are trying to do it by lying. -- John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu jgilmore@lll-crg.arpa Post no bills.