Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest Message-ID: <1933@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 11-May-86 13:25:22 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1933 Posted: Sun May 11 13:25:22 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 12-May-86 21:39:22 EDT Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 304 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Sunday, May 11, 1986, 13:28 EDT Today's Topics: KB on CD Saturdays show. Re: KB and "Journey"...!?! Re: Kate on CD IED KT update, May 6 KTCD TK ni segassap sdrawkcaB [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 6 May 86 10:34:49 EDT From: Jean Marie Diaz Subject: KB on CD Reply-To: ambar@artemis.MIT.EDU Usnail: 259 St. Paul St. Brookline, MA 02146 Phone: (617) 734-0648 Random-Header: I was in Plastic Fantastic (an AWESOME used-disc store in the Philly area) a few weeks ago, and saw a copy of The Kick Inside with the Country/Western cover. Didn't get it--my CD player is very much a future thing.... AMBAR "I need something to change your mind...." [][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Saturdays show. From: KNIGHT@MAINE (Michael Knight) Date: Tue, 6 May 1986 15:14 EDT For those of you who haven't gotten around to reading the TV listings for that Kate Bush concert coming up this Saturday night (Sunday Morning technically..) here's the line up as I read it. It's on a show called 'Night Flight' on the USA Network. 12:30 'A vidio profile of Kate Bush.' Sounds like that lineup of vidios we've all heard about recently. 1:00 'Footage of a 1979 Kate Bush concert.' 60 minutes. If you bothered to read on it repeats again at 4:30 and 5:00am respectively. I know *I* plan on tapeing this. Let's all pray for no interuptions by Captain Midnight. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 7 May 86 01:41:43 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Re: KB and "Journey"...!?! > From: A. Marvick > In reference to recent inexplicable comments published recently > regarding "Not This Time": first of all I must state flatly that > this track sounds absolutely nothing like "Journey". Well, sure the vocals are distinctly Kate, and add some value to the song, and there is elephantotic distortion on the guitar that Journey would never use, but in general it has the melodic, rhythmic, and over-produced characteristic (you know, the way that lots of instruments all merge to create a muddled wash that is so common in Journeyish AOR pop) of American corporate rock. I'm not the first person to notice this either. Before the single was available here, I talked to Peter Morris in England. He said "People don't know what to make of 'Not This Time'. They think Kate is trying to do an American FM AOR song, like Boston or Chicago." After hearing this I was all set to hear a cover of "More Than A Feeling" done with Aborigine drums and Uillean pipes. Now *that* would have been cool! > Second, it is extremely similar both in terms of production and song > structure to Kate's other anthem-style Hounds of Love b-side, > "Burning Bridge". I don't think that "Burning Bridge" sounds anything like "Not This Time". I think "Burning Bridge" is really good! "I know what works for me" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 7 May 86 01:52:06 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Re: Kate on CD > From: ma3166ay > Does anyone have a definitive list of all the Kate out on CD? I don't just > mean the stuff Green lists, I mean American, Japanese, and British pressings. > Here's what I've seen. > Hounds of Love (of course, readily available even at the local > Sound Whorehouse) > The Kick Inside (Japanese -- Kate wearing pink, Japanese liner > notes) > Lionheart (I just saw it today, but didn't have the * $25 * they > wanted for it -- another Japanese import) That *is* the definitive list. Though *Lionheart* and *The Kick Inside* are also available on British pressings for less. The British "Kick Inside" has the original cover of the album (i.e. the "Kite" cover). > Help! I don't own a turntable or a working cassette deck! I *NEED* more > Kate! This is why turntables are more important to own than CD players! > From: Jean Marie Diaz > I was in Plastic Fantastic (an AWESOME used-disc store in the Philly > area) a few weeks ago, and saw a copy of The Kick Inside with the > Country/Western cover. Didn't get it--my CD player is very much a > future thing.... Are you *sure*??? The British CD has the "Kite" cover. A "Tammy Wynette" cover on "The Kick" would mean that the CD has been released in the U.S. I find that *very* hard to believe. -Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 06 May 86 15:16 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: IED KT update, May 6 As usual, all verbiage from this correspondent concerns KT and KT only. IED0DXM has just received a load of earlier Love-Hounds material covering matters Ninth Waveological, and would like to thank Bill Hsu and Henry Chai, in particular, for their helpful analyses. The latest KBC Newsletter has apparently made it official: there is now a competition underway to decipher "what Kate is saying" in "Watching You Without Me", although the announcement does a bad job of pinpointing the position of this message within the track. The message still makes no more sense backwards than it does forwards, although it is clear that something is being said. There are two distinct sections, the second being a repeated phrase saying something like "Really see" (this is Doug Alan's hearing, not mine: could the words not be "We receive," or even "We recede"?). I will shortly submit to Love-Hounds a transcription of the first section as heard by me, but without any confidence of its accuracy. What interest me even more, however, are the two or three seconds immediately preceding this "backwards" track, during which time the Morse code signal for "S-O-S" can be clearly heard. I have no trouble with that message; however, if those moments are listened to again, another sound, like that of a high-pitched, wavering short-wave radio transmission, also becomes audible. Could this not be another message in Morse code, put on a loop and then sped up to nearly inaudible Hz levels? Who can clarify for me? Henry Chai preceded me, I note, in deciding that it was "unlikely" that the spelling of Organon was unintentional; but at this point I am willing to admit that even KT is able to commit errors, albeit of the most trivial kind. Knowing, however, of Kate's continued predilection for cigarettes, it is equally possible that the spelling is a veiled reference to an obscure document of 1659, written by the physician Walter Rumsey, entitled "Organon salutis: including divers new experiments of tobacco and coffee: how much they conduce to preserve humane health". Mr. Chai also noted that he had a hard time reading from the original works of Wilhelm Reich, because of the seriousness of his tone. This tone is precisely what makes Reich's pathology so fascinating (for as much as we may admire the beauty of his ideas and sympathize with the persecution he suffered at the hands of the U.S. government, it must be admitted that Reich was, at least by the late 1940s, quite mad). If Reich had simply taken to stumbling through the streets of Manhattan, spouting harangues to the effect that alien DOR forces were attacking the Earth in UFOs, and that the only way to stop them was to open fire by shooting blue Orgonotic energy rays into the sky through the agency of big metal pipes, he would not be remembered today, except, perhaps, for his early work in the field of Freudian psycho-analytic scholarship. But because he channeled his dementia into the narrow and highly disciplined forms of scholarly writing, developing a large body of Orgonotical literature and publishing heavily footnoted papers regularly in the Orgonon Press, his name lives on, and his work is still sporadically referred to by some of the flakier psychologists in business today. Partly out of a feeling of empathy for such a means of justifying one's obsessions, I have chosen to adopt Reich's pedantic forms and ponderous style in dealing with the work of Kate Bush, since this kind of obsessive interest in another person's life and work is better disguised, I think, when couched in the dry-as-dust language of the Orgonotic scholar. Only two corrections to be made, off hand, to the transcription of the dialogue in "Waking the Witch": The Priest asks, "What is it, child?" I think, not "What child, what child?" Also, in the "wake-up"-call section, I thought the male voice which screams simultaneously with the female chorus of "Your ma needs a shower. Get out of bed!" was not saying "Sunday at nine and you're sleeping in bed. Get up!" Rather, I hear: "Stop that lying and sleeping in bed. Get up!"I may be wrong about the latter line, however. Finally, I would like to relay the news that the promotional film for "The Big Sky" is listed as being available for licensed telecast in the May 8 (?) issue of Billboard. Since it is extremely unlikely that "The Big Sky" will be released as a single domestically, the film will in all probability be ignored by most video programmers, MTV included, unless we do something about it. Assuming everyone here wants to see and/or record it, I urge another MTV dial-a-thon, with the aim of getting at least one token cable-cast of "The Big Sky". Could someone suggest a date and time? Thanks. Hey! What's that? Looks like one of those...umm... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 06 May 86 20:24 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: KTCD Answering Ernie Longmire's question, those are the only KT CDs on the market except for the German CD of The Kick Inside, which features the original UK cover. I once (over a year ago) heard a rumor that someone had seen a German CD of The Dreaming in a store in Texas, of all places. This was untrue. There has yet to appear a CD of either Never For Ever or The Dreaming, though any serious Kate Fan would tell you that quality of sound reproduction is of relatively greater importance for these two albums than for the first two albums, The Kick Inside and Lionheart. But everybody knows that the CD business is a mess. -- Andrew Marvick [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 06 May 86 20:53 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: TK ni segassap sdrawkcaB The precise location of the "backwards" track in "Watching You Without Me" is at bar 64, ending at bar 78 (12 bars); this translates as from 2:19 into the track to 2:48 (30 seconds). I think Paddy's entertaining demonstration of how a backwards track is done was too simplistic. There is more going on here than simply learning the way a phrase sounds when played backwards and then singing those sounds, recording the vocal normally. First, there is Kate's tendency to distort the sounds as she records them, through God knows how many bizarre devices (the harmonizer being only one of many, I am sure). Second, there are the odd echoes of rhythm that can be heard behind the vocal when the record is played normally, which sound very much like truly "backwards" tracks. This would not be the case if all the sounds had been "learned" and then recorded normally. A similar "backwardsiness" can be detected in the "weirdness" passage from "Leave It Open". This brings up the third and I think most important reason for distrusting Paddy's simple explanation, namely, that words do indeed seem to come out of the "weirdness" passage when it is played backwards. After all, Kate seemed to be playing a joke on fans when it turned out the "weirdness" message was a forwards message after all. Isn't it likely that she's playing a joke now, as well? The problem is, we're ready for her, and she knows it; therefore, I'm convinced, the new puzzle is somehow more complicated than the first one. Heard forwards, these are the phonetics I'm hearing (these are *very* tentative): "Zwoh neekh lawv zwoh neekh lawveet" (rest) "eeb vee nahd widthawng ee noy" (repeat) N.B.: The music book wrongly begins this passage at bar 65, one of dozens of such errors to be found within the "official" transcription. This passage is then succeeded by what I believe is a separate message, the one which consists of the repeated message "Really see," or "We receive," or "We recede". Can anyone make sense of any of this? -- Andrew Marvick [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu