Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest Message-ID: <1934@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 11-May-86 13:56:37 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1934 Posted: Sun May 11 13:56:37 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 12-May-86 21:39:43 EDT Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 200 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Sunday, May 11, 1986, 13:58 EDT Today's Topics: Kate on CD "Lively Lunch" or something are YOU ready for this.... 'C/W cover on CD' If not this time, then when will you capitulate? Danielle Dax [][][][][][][][][][] From: Jeff Dalton Date: Tue, 6 May 86 19:53:07 -0100 Subject: Kate on CD > > From: ma3166ay > Date: Fri, 2 May 86 23:07:03 mdt > Subject: Kate CDs > > Does anyone have a definitive list of all the Kate out on CD? I don't just > mean the stuff Green lists, I mean American, Japanese, and British pressings. Not me, but I did happen to look at this part of Edinburgh Virgin taday. > Here's what I've seen. > > Hounds of Love (of course, readily available even at the local > Sound Whorehouse) Ditto. But the UK release is "Made in Japan". (I've gotten the impression that Japanese CDs are better made, in some way, is this true?) > The Kick Inside (Japanese -- Kate wearing pink, Japanese liner > notes) Made in Germany (I think), but a UK release (not an import). "Normal" Gold Kate on Kite cover. > Lionheart (I just saw it today, but didn't have the * $25 * they > wanted for it -- another Japanese import) Another Japanese import. I haven't seen any sign of The Dreaming or Never Forever. We do have the Cocteau Twins Treasure, though (or is that universal now?). > but I can't play rumors on my D5 Pardon my ignorance, and my departure from the proper L-H discussion, but what's a D5? [][][][][][][][][][] From: bu-cs!sam Date: Wed, 7 May 86 10:00:59 EDT Subject: "Lively Lunch" or something BOSTONIANS, REJOICE! It's a new activity for Thursday afternoons! At the Marriot Copley (in the Conservatory) at noon each week, you can see a local band AND eat a delicious buffet lunch for (get this) $3.00! This Thursday: Lou Miami. See you there. /shelli (just kidding, Jordan.) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 5 May 86 09:49:50 edt From: Slime Ball Petroleum Jelly Subject: are YOU ready for this.... At a party I was at this weekend, somebody brought up Kate in a conversation I was listening in on. Then some girl said "Yea, Kate sounds almost *exactly* like Donna Gocheaux (like Kieth and Donna...). Yea, exactly. So I had to jump in and set the record straight...Some people just never leave the 60's. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 7 May 86 13:06:42 EDT From: Jean Marie Diaz Subject: 'C/W cover on CD' Reply-To: ambar@artemis.MIT.EDU Usnail: 259 St. Paul St. Brookline, MA 02146 Phone: (617) 734-0648 Random-Header: Yes, I'm sure. I've never seen any of the other covers, and I would have remembered if this one was different. The guy I was with pointed out the Kate CD's to me--I was digging through the KB vinyl.... AMBAR "I need something to change your mind...." [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 07 May 86 17:15 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: If not this time, then when will you capitulate? }Well, sure the vocals are distinctly Kate, and add some value to the }song, and there is elephantotic distortion on the guitar that Journey }would never use, but in general it has the melodic, rhythmic, and }over-produced characteristic (you know, the way that lots of }instruments all merge to create a muddled wash that is so common in }Journeyish AOR pop) of American corporate rock. This is, after all, a matter of opinion, and I am trying to remember that, but really! The stylistic similarities between "Burning Bridge" and "Not This Time" are clearly audible-- far more audible than the similarities which you claim exist between "Not This Time" and American corporate rock (good term). Of course the vocals are "distinctly Kate", but what's more significant is *how* they are distinctly Kate. One thing many listeners notice when listening to, say, the final epic (and, by your definition, apparently, "over-produced") choruses of "The Big Sky" is the abandon, the deliberate throwing away of technical controls in Kate's vocals. A similar liberated singing style can be heard in a more understated form in "The Morning Fog". But this kind of singing is much more obvious in "Burning Bridge" and "Not This Time", and it does not, I argue, appear before the new album. Beyond that, the whole concept of structuring a song with the overwhelming emphasis on a long closing sequence of choruses sung by Kate's voice many times over-dubbed, and consisting of "tiddle-ee-ohs" or some such traditional folk phonetics in the tradition of "tra-la-la", is distinctive of these new Hounds of Love songs. Just think of the background vocals in "Alternate Hounds" and you can see immediately how similar they are to the chorus in "Not This Time". Furthermore, such a concept, and such use of phonetic choruses, are not only absent in Boston or Journey or Foreigner or Styx -- they are completely antithetical to the musical principles (or absence of same) espoused by those bands. Furthermore, if I were obliged to find similarities between the song and the music of any of those bands, I *would* single out the guitar -- despite the "elephantotic distortion", the introduction of such guitar in the last choruses is a staple of commercial American rock. I might also cite Kate's use of the popular endearment "baby"; but this word cropped up in "Running Up That Hill" without condemning the song as a sellout to "Journey". As to rhythm, there I'll agree with you that its links with mainstream rock are strong, but not so strong that the closest musical parallel to "Not This Time" must be "Journey". The rhythms of rock have always been extremely limited, and the differences between a brilliant, adventurous rock rhythm and a dull, unoriginal one can usually be traced to slight changes in emphasis of a beat and alterations of tuning, miking and recording techniques. Finally, in response to your contention that "Not This Time" shares melodic characteristics with "Journey", well, I'm baffled. There are so many beautiful details of melody, both as written and as interpreted, which are unique to "Not This Time", and which place it so firmly within Kate's native English musical tradition, that I am at a loss to understand how they can all have failed to meet your notice. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 8 May 86 01:45:15 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Danielle Dax I just got this EP by Danielle Dax called "Jesus Egg That Wept". >From one listening, it seems pretty amazing. Danielle Dax is a strange one. Most of the tracks on this record were recorded on a 4-track Teac, and she seems to like to mix tribal and Indian music. This record contains the third song I've ever heard with an Aboriginal rhythm (it also has a digeridoo, or something that sounds like one). Danielle Dax was also in the movie "A Company of Wolves". How come no one mentioned this movie in the strange film discussion. "A Company of Wolves" is the closest to KB's music in spirit I've ever seen a film come. It is sort of a modern retelling of Little Red Riding Hood, and has a very haunting feeling to it. Does anyone know any more about Ms. Dax? "In a Holocaust-Haze your lunacy seems calm." Doug [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu