Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest Message-ID: <2021@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 19-May-86 16:05:17 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.2021 Posted: Mon May 19 16:05:17 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 20-May-86 01:08:20 EDT Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 501 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Monday, May 19, 1986, 16:07 EDT Today's Topics: for more insipid interviews.... trendy euro-fag music Admit your roots ... (2 msgs) re: Danielle Dax !Flame on! A tale of two cities and some buttholes Reply from a 30+ year old cretin new smiths album? Early KT and Oregon Not knowing Robert Palmer was bad enough, Doug... but THIS.....!!! best music 'euro-fags' and general ranting and raving (2 msgs) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 09:06:30 edt From: Wimp Econo Subject: for more insipid interviews.... check out the latest excuse for a magazine put out by Tower Records. They have this insipid interview with Husker Wu and just asked them the stupidest questions. Seems to me that signing to Warner Bros. gives every reporter a reason to ask "Did you leave the indpedent record comnpany because WB offered more money ??" or "Do you see the independents as a fad ??". gag. they're so trendy now I'm suprised all you geeks who sit around listening to euro-fag music aren't out buying their new lp and discussing song structure, and arguing over words. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 10:14:17 EDT From: LustCat%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Net Animal) Subject: trendy euro-fag music You'd rather have American trendy he-man music? No need to call us geeks for listening to music that is better than most American bands. I dunno...but as an observation...most American bands DO suck. They are all soooo BORING. THeir either thrash, garage, etc... after all, how many R.E.M.-ish groups can we possibly need? How many 60's clones do we need? etc... COmpare the size and population of the U.S. to England, and you wonder why so much better stuff comes from such a smaller country... Could it be the water? I guess I am just too wimpy to be able to stand terrible american music. (just woke up...hopefully I'm not making too big a fool of myself...) Fidelis Orozco LoveCat%Umass.Bitnet@Wiscvm.Wisc.Edu [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 11:34:14 EDT From: Atomic Punk Subject: Admit your roots ... Amercian underground? Sorry, lovecat but that's all I'll listen to. As for being sooo boring, I guess they need a haircut and an nice color spread in NME to catch your attention, no? I'm a bigot for american rock and I'll admit it! I think all this bias AGAINST certain bands because they're from a CERTAIN country is wrong and you are way off base, Lovecat ... BUT ... if I hear one more whiney, insipid, English haircut I swar I'm gonna lop their balls off (if they haven't done it already). Great American bands (off the top of my head) ... Sonic Youth Butthole Surfers Great Plains Soul Asylum Husker Du Black Flag Anti-Scrunti FAction Sarcastic Orgasm Lil Gents Executive Slacks Gone If you can't admit your roots and would rather go whine in Europe with a bunch of snotty haircuts, lovecat, be my guest ... more American bands ... Circle Jerks Marginal Man Tex and the Horseheads SamHain Beefeater Frightwig Adrenaline O.D. Green River ANYTHING on Dischord etc etc etc etc etc etc etc Now here's the only English bands worth the trip over the Atlantic to play for humans ... not wavos.... UK SUBS Robyn and the Egyptians Billy Bragg DISCHARGE BROK N BONES Cocteau Twins (at least a couple years ago ...) ---- Ok, I'll admit the English wankers are GREAT about making commercial music and calling it "progressive" .... I mean you remember the Smiths don't you??? "I am human and I neeeeeed to be llaaalaaaavoeeed, just like anyone else" - { gag, spit, puke } Or what about the Jesus Mary Chain? .... oh you probably liked Wankie Goes to Hollywood (the only good tunes they did were covers of American artists by the way ...) I suggest Mr Lovecat before you do the trendy putdowns of thrash that you get into the pit or at least go to a live show where the English whining is not present. Maybe you'd stop calling yourself Lovecat? Wanker... At least you admit you are a wimp, though. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Monday, 12 May 1986 09:54:51-PDT From: hall%beta.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM (Buffa) Subject: re: Admit your roots >I think all this bias AGAINST certain bands because they're from a CERTAIN >country is wrong and you are way off base, Lovecat ... BUT ... if I hear >one more whiney, insipid, English haircut I swar I'm gonna lop their balls >off (if they haven't done it already). Great hairpin turn in that paragraph, Hoff. I think, but.... >If you can't admit your roots and would rather go whine in Europe with >a bunch of snotty haircuts, lovecat, be my guest ... My parents are Americans. My "roots" are Irish, Scottish, and British. Not exactly Europe, but close enough for government work, know what I mean Jim? What are your roots? Go back and read your mail again. Wicinski started this with his slag on 'euro-fags'. >From somewhere in the great melting pot, -Dan [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Monday, 12 May 1986 10:13:51-PDT From: hall%beta.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM (Buffa) Subject: re: Danielle Dax For the folks interested in Danielle Dax: there's an interview with her in Debut, Issue 10 (the one with what's-his-name from The Associates on the cover) and she has a cut on the record. -Dan (No longer melting, just smoldering a bit) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 14:00:31 EDT From: LoveCat%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Fidelis E. Orozco) Subject: !Flame on! I did use to be into the american underground scene, until I noticed how all thrash groups were extremely untalented and/or sounded the same. This also goes for the 60's type-garage bands and the like. So you can't possibly say that all I listen to is "trendy" music... considering I did think of all english music as trendy...but at least it WAS music, and a lot more listenable and enjoyable. I could care less how they look! And I don't read NME...so don't give me any shit about liking a group for how they look like. If you ask me... The American underground scene is what IS TRENDY. and so are you... I am just sick and tired of people saying they are so cool because they listen to ass-kickin' American bands... unlike "euro-fag bands" sheesh! :-) AT least I don't have to prove anything... I just like what I like... My current faves are: Art of Noise, Tones on Tail, The Chills, Jesus and the Mary Chain, etc... and I like them for their sound, not because I think they look neat or anything. Have YOU subscribed to the Black Flag record-of-the-month yet? (admit it...black flag is putting out pure crap right now) Fidelis Orozco ART397LAC%UMASS@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA LoveCat%UMASS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 15:06:30 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: A tale of two cities and some buttholes Enough already with this pinko rightwing jingoistic radical trendy reactionary fag neoNazi mousecrap!!! To settle the argument, here is THE TRUTH: Good music comes from everywhere and bad music comes from everywhere. But it is self-evident that the best music comes from either England or Boston or The Butthole Surfers. I mean, where else than Boston can you in one week see as much great live music as Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, Throwing Muses, Uzi, Black Cat Bone, Salem 66, Meta Terra, Volcano Suns, Roger Miller, Shy Five, etc.? London. And that's it. "I love that dirty water" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 12 May 86 15:26:00 PST From: "ROSSI J.A." Subject: Reply from a 30+ year old cretin Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." Why do I feel like starting this something like Tim, Tim, my son. I'll resist the urge. First, there were hippies and there were real hippies and there were freaks and there were protesters, in the 60's, that is. Today there are fewer typecasts in the college age population (yuppies, moralistic thinkers and assholes, then again there will always be assholes). A major diffeence between today's protesters and those in the 60's is the fact that today's protester lacks the biggie cause (i.e., Vietnam), today's protesting student must find something moralistic to protest, after all, they ain't going to go die in Southeast Asia. I agree, the two types of people can't be equated in one dimension. My statements concern my experience with students attitudes in classroom situations. I should have said things like, students appear to be less competitiv-grade-conscious lately. Oh well. Yea, I guess all the hippies are yuppies now. I wasn't a hippie and I don't know what I am now. Maybe I'm a cretin, though, after all, I am in the Navy. I don't think I sold out, but, who knows. I am 16 years older than I was in the 60's. I've got a wife and family, shit I've even got a dog that gets so excited she pisses when I bring home my bi-monthly pay check. I guess that in the 60's I didn't have all the needs that the contemporary family person has. I didn't need a leave blower, a trash compactor, a CD player, several computers, two servicable automobiles, a house to own. But, except for the computers and the house, I guess I still don't. As a matter of fact, wait a minute, come to think of it I still drive a 17 year old VW bus (the one I drove in the 60's was only 4 years old). I don't own a CD player, either. I must be a cretin, Christ I'll have to stop off at True Value on the way home to get my leaf blower and trash compactor. My God, now that I know what I'm suposed to do, as a cretin sellout that is, I can start to take advantage of all these technological marvels I was afraid to purchase because they seemed like overkill. Riding mowers, paint sprayers, microwave ovens, CD players, imported Nordic cars, I, I I, I'm about to Orrrrrrrrrggggggaaaaaaaasssssssmmmmmmmm.......Ah. Thanks, Tim. I needed that. About Oregon etc. We do have plush hills in New England. 'They say you never can go home' John ------ [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 12:49:39 PDT From: jordan@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu (Jordan Hayes) Subject: new smiths album? didn't someone say there was a new smiths album coming out soon? /jordan [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 11:34 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Subject: Early KT and Oregon I was going to try to set J. Rossi straight about early KT but Doug already did an excellent job, and, besides, Mr. Rossi is already recanting. But I, too, want to stress that this was long, long ago. The Kick Inside was universally regarded as a major stylistic departure from anything else on the market in 1978. I remember hearing "Wuthering Heights" on the radio in April of that year and thinking that *no-one* sounded like that; but it wasn't just the voice, there was that bizarre phrasing -- the lyrics were twisted into strange phonetic jumbles, and the time signature had a way of changing every few bars. (In the final measures before the fade-out, if you follow the drummer's back-beat, you can hear him lose track himself, and skip a few beats rather than make a mistake). This was a very young girl, still without control over the production; it's easy to hear the weaknesses in the early music now, when we have The Dreaming and Hounds of Love to compare it to, but The Kick Inside was definitely a break-through album in its day. Lionheart always gets abused nowadays, mainly because it's so smooth and safe. That was audible even when it first came out, but remember that Kate had to put that LP out in November of 1978, only five or six months after The Kick Inside. Only a few of the songs on that album were newly written, and she still had little control over the arrangements or sound. Even so, Lionheart has a sonic intimacy and eccentricity that sets it far apart from other pop music of its time. And there are many first class Kate Bush musical ideas in it, as well. The tour, too, was unanimously accepted as completely unique, mainly because of the use of choreography and theatrical methods in performance. And once again, that was *seven* years ago. About Oregon/Organon, I completely agree with Doug. The Orgonon reference is undeniable, just read Peter Reich's books, or anything by the Orgonon Press. The only point I would dispute concerns the use of Oregon in The Oregon Times. It is only barely possible, I argue, that Kate simply didn't know the difference between Oregon and Arizona, where the yo-yo scenes took place in the book (Reich was apprehended at Orgonon proper, in Maine). I think it's more likely that she heard the name Oregon and decided its similarity to the name Orgonon was worth exploiting. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 09:41:31 edt From: Joe Turner Subject: Not knowing Robert Palmer was bad enough, Doug... but THIS.....!!! Assuming you are being serious, Doug-chan... Jaques Brel was a rather famous French pop musician during the 50s and 60s. His music was more in the folk vein than anything, and his songs were usually brilliant, very mood-evoking, and always beautiful. He had a nice mixture of love songs, political songs, and always had a good sense of irony and humor. During the 60s, his songs were translated into English and presented as a musical revue called ``JAQUES BREL IS ALIVE AND WELL AND LIVING IN PARIS'', which was a phenomenal success. In fact, "If We Only Had Love" was one of the songs to actually hit the charts from the show/album. If you have the bux, BUY THE ALBUM! If you understand French, DON'T BUY THE ALBUM and get his original French discs. The words in English, while absolute- ly wonderful, are sometimes not what Brel originally wrote. But, to get used to him, I suggest buying the "ALIVE AND WELL" album. It also has a nice bio of Brel in it. There is also a film of JBiAaWaLiP which I saw a number of years ago (mid- 70s or so) late at night on channel 2 in Boston. Being about 8 years old at the time, I don't remember much about it except that it was a little disjointed (i.e. vignettes, no plot) but well-done. It features the same people who were in the broadway show. Jaques Brel was a brilliant musician, and it was a great loss to the musical world when he died in the mid-70s. So it goes... Later. Save your parity bits for big cash prizes! Joe ---------------------------------------------------------- PAPER: Joe Turner, 329 Ward Street, Newton Centre MA 02159 SOUND WAVES: (617)/969-5993 CSNET: cutter@umass-boston.csnet ARPA : umb!cutter@csnet-relay.arpa UUCP : {decvax,ima,linus,sri-unix}!cca!ringwld!cutter ---------------------------------------------------------- (Thanks to the folks who reviewed Scritti's "Songs..." for me!) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 14:25:36 pdt From: Andrew Scott Beals Geographic-Location: The Cooler @ Ground Zulu, Livermore Ca State-Of-Mind: security crazed Subject: best music You're all wet. The best music comes from San Francisco, where the dead play *all the time*. "Welcome to California, now go home." [][][][][][][][][][] Subject: 'euro-fags' and general ranting and raving Dish-Of-The-Day: Corn Chex and Spam Casserole The-Phrase-That-Pays: "Don't I know you?" Fruit-Of-The-Day: blackberry Office: MIT/Project Athena; E40-371; Cambridge, MA 02139 Office-Phone: (617) 253-0177 Date: Mon, 12 May 86 18:18:38 -0500 From: henry@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Ladies and Gentlemen all -- All this "my music is better" crap is sounding very much like net.music did two years ago. That's why I stopped reading it. I thought we were all grown up enough to respect the differences in each others' taste in tunes. The Art of Noise's *In Visible Silence* is pretty nifty . . . particularly *Peter Gunn (featuring Duane Eddy)*. One problem, though: how does one explain The Art of Noise to someone who listens to "beautiful" music? It's tough . . . P. S. -- BTW, the 'euro-fag' bit has lots its charm. This real-life fag is quite offended. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Henry Mensch | Technical Writer | MIT/Project Athena henry@athena.mit.edu ..!mit-eddie!mit-athena!henry [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 12 May 86 19:25:50 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Re: 'euro-fags' and general ranting and raving > From: henry@ATHENA.MIT.EDU > I thought we were all grown up enough to respect the differences in > each others' taste in tunes. Exactly!!!! (Unless it's Madonna, or Phil Collins, or Sheena Easton, ...) > P. S. -- BTW, the 'euro-fag' bit has lots its charm. This real-life > fag is quite offended. Don't pay Mr. Wicinski too much mind. You see, it's unfortunate, but he's completely crazy. He told me how it happened -- he was masterbating while wearing headphones listening to Kate Bush's "The Handsome Cabin Boy" in one ear, and the Butthole Surfers "Comb" in the other ear. In his frenzy, he crashed into the TV, and on came the video for Madonna's "Lucky Star". All this sensory overload was just too much. His mind frazzled. Sparks and bone fragments everywhere. It was really intense. Unfortunately, he's never been quite the same since. They say it's an extreme case of schizophrenia combined with sociopathic tendencies, but they let him keep a terminal in his padded room.... "You're not forgotten here And I will say to you That I will do what I can do" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu