Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest Message-ID: <2290@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 13-Jun-86 02:35:30 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.2290 Posted: Fri Jun 13 02:35:30 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Jun-86 17:52:32 EDT Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 294 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Friday, June 13, 1986, 02:39 EDT Topics: Words Re: Puppeteers EMI, RLYL Set on KALX Siouxsie Without the sleaze Bill? [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: EMAILDEV%UKACRL.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Via: UK.AC.SUSX.VAX2; 10 JUN 86 12:31:48 BST Date: 10-JUN-1986 12:16:16 From: SSUD3%UK.AC.SUSSEX.VAX2@AC.UK Just a few quick responses here: Doug mentioned that "So" wasn't recorded at Peter Gabriel's home studio. Although various studios are mentioned, one of them, "Real World Studios" is (I think) the name of his home studio, and that's where the bulk of the recording took place. I think this is correct, 'cos on the "Birdy" soundtrack, it says "A Real World Production", and also that it was recorded at "Real World Studios". However, since most of the stuff is instrumentals from "Security" (which was recorded at home), use your rules of formal logic to deduct where "So" was recorded.... (I could be wrong, though. I've never been good at logic) Speaking of somewhat trivial technicalities, does anyone else know more about the legal aspect of liscencing technicalities in regards to EMI's use of Kate's master tapes (made by her company, Norvercia)? I'm interested in music and the law, and was wondering if anyone knows of other similar arrangements (I think Paul McCartney, Duran Duran, Queen, and Michael Jackson all own their master tapes, and liscence them to the record company. Oh, and David Bowie. It seems like this is a particular trend with EMI. Any ideas?) As far as the "Under the Ivy" fanzine goes, I'm personally staying away from it, since it sounds pretty shady. Apparently, it is run by Andrew Whiteside, who has been a Kate fan for a long time, but who is also practicing to be a rock critic along side with Richard Cook! Several years ago, he sent an article in to Homeground, completely slagging off "Never for Ever" and most of Kate's other albums in the same sort of Richard Cook style. When Peter Morris questioned why he was sending such an overly negative review in to Homeground (and asked him to tone it down somewhat), Andrew ran off like a bratty kid and started up his own fanzine. I have never read an entire article, but someone read me his "review" of "Hounds of Love" in which he ran down all the songs, saying, for instance, that "Running up that Hill" is such a boring song, that everyone he knows wants to skip the needle over it and go on to the second song! Actually, I find it to be one of her most enduring songs, that gets better with each listen. (Unlike the second song!). One really weird thing, though, is that it literally sounds to be running at a different pace every single time I listen to it! At first I thought that the 12" and the cassette, and the CD were mastered at different speeds, but someone at the convention assured me that he counted the beats, and they are all the same. However, when I put it on this morning, it seemed to be running DOWN that hill, it was going so fast! (And it can't be the turntable 'cos I have a portable CD player). Is this an aural illusion? Has anyone else experienced the same thing? Hugh [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 860610 14:19 MESZ From: Subject: Words Hi, perhaps somebody of you has the words (lyrics) of the songs of HoL in his reader, so would he (she?) be so kind to send them to me (PUNCHED CLASS M)? Thanks Ulrich [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 3 Jun 86 10:35:38 edt From: Henry Chai Subject: Re: Puppeteers >Really-From: Joe Turner >As a summary: Puppeteers are a two-headed, three-legged alien race whose >noteable features are brilliant spacecraft design and unbridled cowardice. At the risk of being flamed for posting a spoiler without warning, :-) a Puppeteer can use its powerful third foot to deliver a lethal kick. --henry [][][][][][][][][][] From: allynh@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck) Subject: EMI, RLYL Date: Wed, 11 Jun 86 01:01:41 PDT The friend who works at EMI lent me a promo video featuring about 10 EMI artists. Let's see, there was: Brian Setzer - "The Knife Feels Like Justice" - basically like what the guys in SPIN said it was like. I forget who, but the guys who do "Let's Go All The Way" - eh, [Sly Fox, NYC band, r&b influence --gregbo] ok I guess. Talk Talk - "Life's What You Make It" - real cool. Boy, these guys sure have got away from their original "cool white suits, slicked back hair, thin tie high tech" image. They had another video too from the album, forget what. Greg Kihn - feh. Red Hot Chili Peppers - forget what, but manic as usual. From the new album; apparently the unedited version, socks and all. Pet Shop Boys - "West End Girls" - what's not to like I guess... John Lennon - 1972, doing "Come Together" live. and ... "Cloudbusting". Yes, very nice, touching, heartwarming etc. He also lent me a shorter videotape, of Sigue Sigue Sputnik's "Love Missile F1-11". Ugh. I feel sorry for EMI, having shelled out something like $2 mil for these guys, I've heard. They're fixing to be the new Frankie. Machine guns, _Clockwork Orange_, "designer violence," and _Scarface_. My poor friend had to show a 28-minute SSS documentary at this show at the Omni in Oakland recently: no music, understand, just interviews and The Making of SSS (from the ground up, pick the most photogenic people THEN teach them to play). Well I guess the bar did better business. Descendents / Catheads / Buck Naked / Rain Parade / Square Roots / Steve Wynn / Mr. T Experience @ Omni, Oakland, May 17 Got in free thanx to Bill the EMI guy, first place I had to go to where there was a line of even semi-luminaries trying to get in: "Hi, I'm with KFJC, I'm on there I thiinnnk.... Yah, right there." "KALX..." "Maximum R & R..." Mr T. Experience were unadulterated teen garage punk and as such not very interesting, time for a beer... The Omni touts itself as the newest music "complex" in the Bay Area, which means 2 large bars, stage, balcony, a weird little carpeted area to wander around in drunk, and what must be a vintage 1976 disco floor, well scuffed plexiglas covering multicolored Xmas bulbs (more on the walls) and a video screen. Well, Steve Wynn was on stage (and screen) at that time with an acoustic guitar doing Dream Syndicate and some Dylan while occasionally berating the audience, and needless to say the 10 or so of us in there just sat on the edge of the floor drinking. S Then the S S video. This British guy Carl I know was there, quite rightly termed them "wankers". (I hate it when Americans use the term.) Square Roots are a duo, acoustic guitar and standup bass, well known around the UC as they play on Sproul Plaza a lot. Comparisons to the Femmes of course, but they are a little more upbeat and squeaky clean, smile a lot more. Rain Parade played a set w/out drum kit (just tambourine), do better at the Summer of Love sound than most, can't really be more explicit... I had to drive someone back to Barr. in a truck and come back. Buck Naked - new Cramps? They're apparently from Nebraska, lead guy shed his coat early on, had black bikini bottom (well and 10-gallon hat and lots of things hanging round neck), mouth-droppingly risque lyrics, high-speed. In other words, good fun. Great for your next party or get-together. Catheads - basically the same as when I previously reviewed, but I think I liked them a bit more than before. Did high-speed "Hurdy-Gurdy Man" again... Descendents - wow it actually took a couple of songs for the pit to open and it didn't last for long - Bay Area audiences are confused. Did all the hits - "I'm Not A Loser" etc. Milo in tennis shorts, looks like one of those "ordinary f*ckin' people." Red Lorry Yellow Lorry @ I-Beam, SF, April 21 Missed opening act... Danny who came with sed "This must have been what a Joy Division show was like." Big pudge guy on lead guitar which from where I was standing was inaudible, drummer helped by machine, bassist kinda looks like the guy in F/X, lead singer spits the lyrics out so caustically looked like his lip was bleeding. "Talk About the Weather", "Elevation". I wouldn't say just like JD, and there's a case to be made for the elements of bone-picking in their music, but the intensity in their pissed-off attitude was undeniable. Little worrisome - the stuff they were playing before they came on included, between some psychedelicy tunes, BOCs "Fear The Reaper." And it worked, is the troubling thing. This and DMCs covering "Walk This Way." And of course Redd Kross. Good thing there was a thing in the paper Sunday on the milestones of the 70s - good reference if you start to wonder if you've stumbled into that forbidden zone... "Play that funky music white boy" - allyn [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 86 02:39:27 PDT From: allynh@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck) Subject: Set on KALX You guys woulda loved the set they just played here... Hawkwind, Jane Siberry, Spirit, Big Black, Moby Grape... [][][][][][][][][][] From: allynh@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck) Subject: Siouxsie Date: Wed, 11 Jun 86 03:09:37 PDT Siouxsie and the Banshees / Love and Rockets @ Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center, Oakland, June 1 We were the only people in the audience without mousse, dye or black clothes. Jeezus. First Stooges album on PA, again the "were these people even alive then?" phenom. Love and Rockets very disappointing, I'm sorry to say to those of you who I know like them. No Bauhaus or Tones on Tail songs, and their new stuff just doesn't cut it. Oh yeah, Daniel Ash looks real cool in purple velvet robe with fur collar, and he got off some pretty neat distortion effects, but in all not what their history shows they could be. Siouxsie's the total center of attention, Severin and Carruthers off the spotlight in their paisley tunics. Started off with "Cities in Dust", she wearing a red top with hearts on it, lot of stringy things adorning imperiously. Black leather hip boots. Most of the stuff was from "Kiss in the Dreamhouse", "Hyaena" and I guess "Tinderbox" (I haven't got it yet). "Christine", "Happy House", "Melt!", "Bring Me The Head of the Preacher Man," "Night Shift". "Israel" and "Spellbound" as encores. No "Hello San Francisco" or the like, the occasional fluttering "AWK AWK AWK!" from Siouxsie was all. Great dance moves. Neat ultraviolet lighting fx and back lighting over by Budgie. One of our number luded out and had to be taken off the floor for a rest. "The head doctor is a Very Distinguished Arabian Jack-Off Specialist Who Has Been in the Sun Too Long. No Humor." [][][][][][][][][][] From: allynh@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck) Subject: Without the sleaze Bill? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 86 03:31:28 PDT Did you really mean Chris and Cosey were less sleazy than TG, or were you doing a double entendre on Peter Christopherson's nickname Sleazy? If the former, well... Chris and Cosey / Club Foot Orchestra @ Wolfgang's, SF, May 8 (another old review, sorry) Another show went to with Danny. I was recently shown an old copy of the NME Singles review section mentioning Danny's band, Stukas Over Bedrock... Well golly? Well we both got pretty smashed, me buying the drinks cuz he forgot his fake ID, cuz Club Foot was pretty dull. I don't care if Snakefinger's in them or that they backed up the Femmes, by themselves they're just too loungy. C & C passed through the crowd before the show, Chris first. And on stage, it was Chris on the left with the keyboard bank, Cosey on a chair to his right, with her guitar case full of effects boxes, and her cornet. Very "Crackdown" era CV it seemed to me. And the videos - reminded me of Film 2 last fall, bits from "Un Chien Andalou" and Rene Clair's "Entr'acte". North Indian dancing, and let me tell you it's one thing to have Prince undulating on stage on a brass bed, it's quite another to watch footage of Cosey performing fellatio on these massively endowed males. Also tantra cult ritual aerobics. Smiled at the close of the show, said "Bye now" like you were leaving their Bed and Breakfast inn. CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI CTI [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu