Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!think!caip!sri-spam!nike!styx!USC-ISID.ARPA!MILLS From: MILLS@USC-ISID.ARPA Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Adaptive SMTP Timeouts Message-ID: <8605302106.AA16597@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Thu, 29-May-86 14:02:15 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8605302106.AA16597 Posted: Thu May 29 14:02:15 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 31-May-86 03:22:39 EDT Sender: daemon@styx.UUCP Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 24 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa In response to the message sent Thu, 29 May 86 12:15:38 +0100 from mcvax!dpk@seismo.CSS.GOV Doug, I commonly see delays of up to a minute for replies to SMTP commands with MIT-MULTICS and up to two minutes for certain FORD-WDL hosts. This, however, bogs the question, since delays of this magnitude would be considered prima facie evidence of brain lesions by almost everybody except their maintainers. On the other hand, premature abandonment of an SMTP connection may be hazardous to the mental health of the recipients. In a recent case when our local 4.2bsd prematurely abandoned an SMTP connection and repeatedly tried it again hour after hour, the recipient got a (truncated) copy of the message every time. After three days he became quite violent. I think SMTP adaptive timeouts, while cute and possibly even useful in some cases, should not be used to "tune" connections, but to ensure system resources are returned to service when something hangs. They should be set quite long - in the order of several minutes. The present situation clearly indicates some implementations are broken and should be fixed. Having said that, it also is clear that the error-recovery characteristics of many mailers and femailers could be much improved. Dave -------