Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lsuc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!jimomura From: jimomura@lsuc.UUCP (Jim Omura) Newsgroups: net.micro.amiga Subject: Re: incompetent executives Message-ID: <1235@lsuc.UUCP> Date: Mon, 2-Jun-86 23:14:21 EDT Article-I.D.: lsuc.1235 Posted: Mon Jun 2 23:14:21 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 2-Jun-86 23:55:42 EDT References: <260@usl-pc.UUCP> <448@elmgate.UUCP> Reply-To: jimomura@lsuc.UUCP (Jim Omura) Distribution: na Organization: Barrister & Solicitor, Toronto Lines: 96 Summary: Things aren't so bad In article <448@elmgate.UUCP> jdg@elmgate.UUCP (Jeff Gortatowsky) writes: > >In article <260@usl-pc.UUCP>, jpdres10@usl-pc.UUCP (Green Eric Lee) writes: >> -*-text-*- >> >> HOWEVER: >> >> What's a great computer like the Amiga doing being marketed by a bunch >> of clowns like Commodore?? ... >> b) The hardware people should be working on low-cost hard disk drives and >> RAM expansions, not modems, or should be helping 3rd parties who do >> plan to bring out low-cost hard disk drives and RAM expansions (there >> are none now). > >Now here is the first good point Eric brings up. As I posted once before, >how does CBM-Amiga expect to gain confidence in the Amiga if they >won't/can't support the Amiga with a reasonable hard disk and memory >exapansion. Have they looked at the size of the code generated by their >officially supported compilers? The present 68000 based compilers are >memory pigs (with an exception here or there). Indeed the 68k family are >memory pigs. I love the CPU, but it's a mem hog. 512k for the Amiga is >like 256k for the Pee Cee, BARE MINIMUM. Are you listening CBM? Sure >software is high on the priority list, but remember to develop software >and remain sane at the sane time a developer needs a hardware environment >that does constantly get in THE BLOODY WAY!! In part, the large object code size is due to large contiguous addressing space. That's the price of the architecture, but it's worth it. The Intel family fans are about to find this out too with the '386's. Still, there are anomalies which have me baffled. I hear that the Lattice compiler churns out unnecessarily large code. True? > >> c) In conjunction with b) above, price the expansion bus addition VERY >> reasonably. >> >They should, but they wouldn't. > > > >> b) cheap mungo RAM so you can calculate spreadsheets that would make >> IBM folk green with envy. > >Wonder if they realize that a very cheap 2-8meg (lotsa empty RAM sockets) >expansion coupled with Itelligent disk caching could make up for the lack >of a decent hard disk? Actually, it doesn't. Wait till you have a power out with all your stuff in RAM disk after hours of work. Of course, you *may* be able to afford an uninterrupted power supply. One large enough for you to backup back onto floppies before powering down. Then again, I think you'll find these cost more than most hard disks. Not unusually cheap hard disks either, but ones you might be able to find off the shelf. (I assume there are at least *some* hard disk systems available at this point for the Amiga and your complaint is solely price.) > >> Neither I or most others care a single twit about Yet Another Modem >> (even if it's a particularly good one) or Show Off The Graphics. We > >The Amiga DOES suffer from to many YAM's. But that's all anyones figured >out how to do with the present RAM/storage limitations (coupled with compiler >technology). With decent expansion options (that people can afford) you >can let the compiler/programmer go nuts, with little to no regard for size >, and consequently not worry about your task stopping other from running >due to lack of available memory. That goes double for a multitasking >machine with no paged virtual memory system. You mean Modem *programs*? If that's what you mean, then the abundance of modem programs is likely more a result of the fetishes of the type of people 'here' on the net than the current tools. Hey, this bunch is telecom oriented. Besides, we all have good text editors now (MicroEMACS) and formatters (PROFF), games (HACK) and utilities. Database manages take time. They also aren't much fun to write and when done tend to be sold commercially rather than given away. > > >> 4) The CBM advertising campaign has been simply dismal. First they ... >> a hokey unprofessional manner. Where did CBM get their ad people from, >> Des Moines, Iowa? OK Turkey, What you got against Des Moines, Iowa! :-) -- James Omura, Barrister & Solicitor, Toronto ihnp4!utzoo!lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura (416) 652-3880