Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rochester!kodak!elmgate!jdg From: jdg@elmgate.UUCP (Jeff Gortatowsky) Newsgroups: net.micro.amiga Subject: Re: 1.2 Notes and a bug (kinda) Message-ID: <469@elmgate.UUCP> Date: Mon, 9-Jun-86 09:34:09 EDT Article-I.D.: elmgate.469 Posted: Mon Jun 9 09:34:09 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Jun-86 00:14:39 EDT References: <465@elmgate.UUCP> <357@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY Lines: 90 Summary: Yes, I used disksalv to recover (partially) the tools disk. In article <357@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP>, daveh@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Dave Haynie) writes: > > Is that DiskSalv? I wrote DiskSalv, and put it up on the net awhile ago. > I'd always try recovering a disk using DiskSalv first. > -- > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > Dave Haynie {caip,inhp4,allegra,seismo}!cbmvax!daveh > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Yes. It was disksalv. I got it off of CIS. I musta missed the posting here on the NET. As soon as I realized Disked wasn't gonna hack it, I logged on to CIS and dl'd it. I didn't even pay attention to who the author was. Thanks Dave. Good tool. Invaluable. Credit where credit is due, nice job Dave. From an unusable disk to a usable in nothing flat. Still all the source is gone. Nothing that any program could have done about that. It just wasn't there! My (and everyone elses for that matter) 1.2 beta2 has got alot more serious problems with it than bad distribution disks however. It was not ready for beta testing. No way, no how. Sure it's nice to use your developers as QA people and to receive feedback. But my experiance with 1.2 has been negative enough that I'm considering going back to 1.1 to continue development until I get a version of 1.2xx that at least works as well as 1.1. Or at least doesn't cause new bugs in things that did work before. Since another person thinks I'll save someone else the trouble of finding bugs I've already found I'll expand alittle. I've only used 1.2 for a weekend. One day really. I stress that all I did was play with C-A's stuff. I didn't get around to programming anything yet. Disk errors. As I stated in a previous posting, my tools disk was bad screwed up. Two unreadable tracks. In the CLI I recovered what I could and reformatted after going back to the Workbench (WB). Diskcopy then reported error as I tried to use that disk (format said it was fine). I clicked in the system requester that appeared after diskcopy aborted. It retried! After 20 times I gave up and Ctl-Amiga-amiga'd the thing. Using disked I munged up a disk on purpose. Same thing. Had to reboot. In others words error recovery from a disk error is reboot. Try this. Make a copy of the original 1.2beta workbench (need this so when you open the disk icon the window will be in the 'default' screen position). Now write protect this copy. Place it in df0: and reboot. Open the disk icon (named copy 2 of WB xxxxx). Now select the disk icon again and try renaming it. When the requester comes up saying the disk is write protected press cancel. Poof! Where's the open window's close gadget and upper scroll gadget go? Retry the rename operation. When the string gadget comes up click outside of the string box. Multi-tasking? What multitasking? While your there staring at the sleepy cloud go ahead and move the open window. What if I needed to see something (anything) underneath that window before I decided what I want to rename this disk to? Try Open or Save As.. from the notepad. Permanent filename requester. Time for Ctrl-Amiga-Amiga. Try word wrap. Yup it wraps. But leaves the image of the word on the previous line. (BTW all this was done with the notepad window openned up full screen). How come the scroll arrows redraw the screen (no they didn't scroll). Printing was fun. But before I say it's buggy I better hack up a driver for my Star SG15 that I know works. Right now I use the Star in the IBM mode and the MPS-1000 driver as per CBM's recommendation. But I don't KNOW that's what it should be. Printing put some line breaks in where there were none, didn't put breaks (ie. LOOONG lines) where there were short lines etc... I don't know,... it *USE* to work under 1.1. Forget about all the neat stuff for programmers for a moment. This is stuff the USER (ie. guy who buys the programs we write) is going to do. This is the stuff that MUST BE ROCK SOLID!!!!!! THIS IS THE PART OF THE AMIGA THAT MUST BE INTUITIVE!! Remember? Intuition. It must work regularly and predictabily EVERYTIME. No matter what the user does. I know, I know, alot easier said than done. So the solution. Forget about my and other programmers wish list for the moment. Concentrate ALL efforts on bomb proofing the USER's view of AmigaDOS/Intuition as supplied. We programmers will live without for a while. What WE need to sell our wares is USER's. Preferably a user who is not frustrated everytime he sits down at the machine. Before you go flame me to a crisp. I DO REALIZE this is beta stuff. I just think it should be ALPHA. Further it looks like they paid to much attention to what we, the programmers wanted and not enough to honing and perfecting what they already had. BTW. What this programmer really needs is a stable environment. So that I know at least 95% of whatever goes BOOM in my code is MY code. Sorry once again for the size of this posting. Flame away..... -- Jeff Gortatowsky {allegra,seismo}!rochester!kodak!elmgate!jdg Eastman Kodak Company