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From: lloeb@spock.UUCP (Lawrence Loeb  )
Newsgroups: net.micro.mac
Subject: TT512 Rebuttal
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Date: Sun, 1-Jun-86 13:54:15 EDT
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Posted: Sun Jun  1 13:54:15 1986
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In his warning about a bug in ThinkTank 512 (1.2) <robb@mentor.UUCP> 
writes that:

>Would someone out there *PLEASE* put me out of my misery and do a real MAC
>implementation of this indispensible tool.  TT does virtually nothing 
>like good mac software should.  (e.g. no scroll bars, screwy text editting,
>evidently does its own memory management, is HUGE for what it does,
>is incompatible with almost anything else such as switcher, etc. etc. etc.)
>
>In defense of Living Videotext, however, the person I talked to there was
>very knowledgeable, helpful, sympathetic, and honest.  She also didnt have
>a workaround other than to keep the outlines small.
>-- 
>Rob Bartel
>...!tektronix!sequent!mentor!robb

To which <matt@ucla-cs.UUCP> responds:

>A new outline processor *DA* called 'Acta' will be out within a month.
>I've had a pre-release (I paid for it :-) for about a month, and have
>built 50+ kbyte outlines with NOT A SINGLE CRASH. 
...skipping 7 lines..
>The only shortcoming is the inability to print an outline without
>saving/clipping into a wordprocessor.
>
>I recommend Acta without reservation.  TT-512 isn't worth the powder to 
>blow it to Poughkeepsie.
>
>                            - Matt
>-------
>UUCP:   {ucbvax,ihnp4,randvax,trwrb!trwspp,ism780}!ucla-cs!matt
>ARPA:   matt@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU


These messages were cross-posted to the Macintosh conference of
BIX(tm) (Byte Information Exchange) of which I am co-moderator.
David Winer, the president of Living Videotext, is a participant in that
conference; and posted the following reply to the above messages.

>macintosh/net.mac #194, from dwiner, 991 chars, Fri May 30 22:49:03 1986
>Comment to 191. 
>----------
>Is there any point in responding to these net.mac messages?
>
>The salient points are: 
>
>1) We do not do our own memory management.
>
>2) There is a bug in the Apple ROMs - and we've trapped it - and fixed it.
>Version 1.3 will be available at no charge to registered users using Mac+
>just for the asking.
>
>3) Although I am not a Mac programmer, I have had the problem explained to
>me and can provide the background if anyone wants to hear it.
>
>4) I haven't been able to get a copy of Acta, apparently it is not for sale,
>so I can't comment about that.
>
>5) Living Videotext has continued to develop on the Mac, and it's been 17
>months since TT512 shipped.  Do you think we might have a more powerful
>product very close to shipping?
>
>6) I'm glad you found our support people helpful, they've been under a lot
>of pressure recently, but are holding their own like real troopers.
>
>I also check MCI mail daily, and Compuserve's MACUS Special Interest Group.
>
>Dave Winer, President, Living Videotext

I thought the net might be interested in this message; and wanted to see
it as widely disseminated as the original postings.

--Laurence H. Loeb 
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