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From: sl@van-bc.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.micro.mac,net.rumor
Subject: Re: Fascist Licensing Agreement
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Date: Mon, 30-Jun-86 14:01:14 EDT
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I don't know what happens elsewhere but I would doubt that more than ONE
copy of the new System/Finder/License/Misc was downloaded in the Vancouver
area. This is not to say that it is not available from at all of the good
dealers (and they didn't get it from Apple), most of the software developers
and anyone who knows anyone. 

I would not be suprised if the local Apple folks got it from the same person.
(Their official copy will undoubtedly arrive within a month or so, Canada
is at the very end of the distribution list it seems.)

It would seem that Apple is trying to protect themselves with this 
agreement. However in the real world -:) no one seems to pay much attention
to it. 

As far as costs go, time to get into CServe and download the 600k is
probably the major reason most people would rather just make a copy of
the disk (contrast 2 minutes with 2 hours plus). They just can't be
bothered.  Of course $25 is no laughing matter either. I suppose people
would feel more guilty about it if Apple was actually getting part 
of it. (In point of fact CServe is setup to pay Sysops a percentage for traffic
on various areas like Maug. Perhaps some of this is being channeled
back to Apple. I would doubt it though.)
 
The whole point of the exercise is Apple is quite unlikely to come barging
into anyones office demanding to see proof of downloading / copying from 
an authorized source. (What would such proof consist of? A huge bill from
CServe on my MasterCard?) And given the impossibility of proving the source
of the material, human nature being what it is, most people are going to
do exactly what they have been doing since day one with Mac software. Getting
a copy from WHEREVER they can. Let's face it, if you've been waiting for
months to get it you'll do whatever is necessary to get it. Usually that
means a quick trip with a case of beer to who ever you know that has
a CServe account.


It will be interesting to see if Apple pay's any attention to this ongoing
dialog. Possible reactions could include:

	- no more distribution via BBS
	- a more intelligent agreement which reflects reality

I'm also waiting for someone to post a message to say that they did download
it N times, once for each of their N machines ( or N friends).