Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!caip!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!hplabs!tektronix!orca!hammer!johnl From: johnl@hammer.UUCP (John Light) Newsgroups: net.micro.pc Subject: Re: UNI* -> PC Anyone ? Message-ID: <2133@hammer.UUCP> Date: Tue, 24-Jun-86 12:35:47 EDT Article-I.D.: hammer.2133 Posted: Tue Jun 24 12:35:47 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 28-Jun-86 00:48:26 EDT References: <114@gouldsd.UUCP> Reply-To: johnl@hammer.UUCP (John Light) Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville OR Lines: 37 Keywords: Real Operating systems You've got the right idea, but the wrong implementation. Except for the lucky few, running real Un*x on a personal computer is a luxury of the future. The only alternative should not be living with just PCDOS. There is a middle ground. I don't think that "committeeware" will fill the need. Feel free to pursue that course, but don't lose sight of the other alternatives. Good software systems, even more than individual pieces of software, come from a unified vision. One choice for a more powerful environment for a PC is the Percent package from Thompson Automation. Instead of throwing out PCDOS, it makes the best of a weak environment. Percent provides much of the best of the Un*x environment without losing anything important in the DOS world. Instead of COMMAND.COM, you get a shell that is a superset of the Bourne Shell, with additions like aliases and history. The programs you run are the same PCDOS applications that you run now. Or you can run any of the 20 or so Un*x-like utilities that are provided in Percent. The designer's vision shows in the clean way all the pieces work together. I have also heard that Wendin's PC/UNIX does something like this. And a product out of Canada, the MKS Toolkit, provides a very complete set of utilities. I think all of these products cost about $100. This is not exhorbitant when you compare value for dollar paid with the rest of the software you are running. (You did pay for it didn't you?) Instead of wasting time chasing "scatterware", let's encourage these attempts to save us from PCDOS by trying them and talking about them. Maybe the best hasn't been written yet. John Light tektronix!hammer!johnl P.S., I have no financial interest in any of the above concerns, but I am a friend of Pat Thompson of Thompson Automation.