Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!caip!think!mit-eddie!cybvax0!frog!wjr From: wjr@frog.UUCP (STella Calvert) Newsgroups: net.misc Subject: Re: Teaching Writing Message-ID: <946@frog.UUCP> Date: Wed, 2-Jul-86 18:42:32 EDT Article-I.D.: frog.946 Posted: Wed Jul 2 18:42:32 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 4-Jul-86 03:32:17 EDT References: <2671@sdcc6.UUCP> <1445@ihuxn.UUCP> <2679@sdcc6.UUCP> <1452@ihuxn.UUCP> <921@frog.UUCP> <3450@sdcc3.UUCP> Reply-To: wjr@frog.UUCP (STella Calvert) Organization: The Church of the Holy Starship Lines: 43 In article <3450@sdcc3.UUCP> co20wta@sdcc3.UUCP (Bruce Jones) writes: >In article <921@frog.UUCP> wjr@frog.UUCP (STella Calvert) writes: >>But if, when I creep line by line through someone's text, suggesting >>ways to make their ideas stand out more clearly, I'm not teaching >>writing, what _am_ I doing? We both thought I was doing _something_! > >You were doing something -- calling for a finer focus on the ideas, >which in a sense is what writing is all about. I don't know if this >should be considered "teaching writing", which I always thought of >as the business of grammarians. This bothers me. There is a large body of grammatically correct text in any journal aimed at grammarians. _Very_ little of it is _readable_. Identifying good grammar with good writing (the generalization that most of the engineers I've worked with make) is as silly as identifying having an erection with marriage! Admittedly, good grammar makes it easier to express your ideas, and if a sentence doesn't "work" there may well be something wrong with the grammar. But it's as likely that there's something wrong with the ideas, their expression, or the order in which the material is presented. Reducing all the elements that contribute to making a piece of writing effective to "good grammar" not only doesn't satisfy me, it seems to misdirect would-be good writers from other areas that could help them improve. The Watergaters usually used tolerably good grammar. But that doesn't mean you could tell what they were trying to say (or not to say!) Reread a segment of the tax code -- grammatically correct, most likely. >What did/would _you_ call it? Working on the documentation, writing. Neither of us realized that I was "teaching writing" until we noticed that later documents needed much less revision than the first in the series did. STella Calvert Do what thou wilt -- not just a good idea, it's the law! Guest on Account: {cybvax0|decvax}!frog!wjr