Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!harvard!caip!princeton!allegra!ulysses!cbosgd!mark From: mark@cbosgd.UUCP (Mark Horton) Newsgroups: net.news Subject: Re: Towards making hosts and their admin free from a criminal offence Message-ID: <2190@cbosgd.UUCP> Date: Mon, 2-Jun-86 00:30:30 EDT Article-I.D.: cbosgd.2190 Posted: Mon Jun 2 00:30:30 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 4-Jun-86 00:31:14 EDT References: <611@bu-cs.UUCP> <164@comp.lancs.ac.uk> <20663@styx.UUCP> <1261@mulga.OZ> <434@weitek.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Oh Lines: 36 There may be precedent here. Surely there are communications satelites used for TV, radio, etc, in Europe. Surely the footprint of these birds is bigger than the country they are aimed at. For example, a French satelite might broadcast TV which is legal in France, but which can be picked up by anybody with a dish in Germany, Holland, etc. I can imagine that a French program might violate some law in Germany. I can also imagine that (a) a German citizen might pick it up directly, or (b) a German TV station might pick it up and broadcast a piece on the local evening news. If this is illegal, who is at fault, and what is done? Another possible analogy is ham radio (I think I like this one, it's pretty close.) What is the European law/custom here? If a ham in Germany hears something from France which is illegal in Germany and relays it into Germany, what happens? Finally, I can think of things like the Voice of America, which broadcasts things which are obviously illegal in Russia, but aimed right at them. There isn't anything the Soviets can do about that, except try to jam it with technical means. I suspect the answer may be that if there is a person in the loop, that person acts as a moderator (e.g. the TV news or ham relay.) But if there is no person involved - everybody gets everything automatically, there is nothing that can be done. A third case is Usenet, where there is a computer in the country in question in the loop, but no person moderating everything. I wouldn't worry too much about this. It's possible to post illegal things in the USA too, such as a credit card number, slander/libel, something which is copyrighted, or pornography. We make all reasonable attempts to make sure people don't violate their local laws by posting such things, but we don't have a filter in every state to evaluate local standards of pornography. Mark