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From: grr@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: net.news.adm
Subject: Re: Junker
Message-ID: <457@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 25-Jun-86 23:50:52 EDT
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.457
Posted: Wed Jun 25 23:50:52 1986
Date-Received: Fri, 27-Jun-86 05:41:27 EDT
References: <282@ubc-cs.UUCP> <1509@brl-smoke.ARPA> <289@ubc-cs.UUCP>
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
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In article <289@ubc-cs.UUCP> andrews@ubc-cs.UUCP (Jamie Andrews) writes:
>George Robbins:
>>It's OK to limit your own internal costs, but it's far too easy for these
>>mutilated articles to get back out on the net and interfere with the
>>transmission of the intact article.
>
>     The mutilated articles getting back out on the net is exactly what is
>intended.  It's *transmission* costs it's trying to cut; the junked articles
>pre-empt the longer, intact articles.
>
>     I realize how strange the junker solution looks at first glance.
>But if you look at it more closely, follow how junked articles would move
>through the net, and predict the general effect it has on newsgroup
>communities once it's accepted as part of the news system -- I think you'll
>see that it can work, if we give it a chance.  And it *has* been implemented.

I think perhaps you misunderstand - I* pay to have the current usenet load
flow into this site, and redistribute it to various other sites.  I do not
particularly appreciate it when some arrogant fool decides to sabotage that
system for my own good.  Such controls as you propose belong at the entry
point for articles, and perhaps some well documented locations, not a random
sites scattered throughout the net.

There are meaningful attempts underway to control usenet volume.  Whether
these are news group cuts, or a an attempt to make the noise groups carry
their own load is a matter of opinion.  If you want to cut transmission
costs, be selective about what you transmit.  If an article does not meet
your criteria, then just can it and let it try to find some other path to
it's destination, *but don't alter it*.

* I should be taken in several senses, including, but not limited to -
  corporate budget, my personal time, and my personal phone bills that you
  really wouldn't want to pay.


-- 
George Robbins - now working with,	uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|caip}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing	arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV
Commodore, Engineering Department	fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)