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From: chuq@sun.uucp (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: net.news.adm
Subject: Re: Re: Junker
Message-ID: <4559@sun.uucp>
Date: Fri, 27-Jun-86 13:56:23 EDT
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Posted: Fri Jun 27 13:56:23 1986
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[ this line is here to protect me from the infamous bug ]

>      I realize how strange the junker solution looks at first glance.
> But if you look at it more closely, follow how junked articles would move
> through the net, and predict the general effect it has on newsgroup
> communities once it's accepted as part of the news system -- I think you'll
> see that it can work, if we give it a chance.  And it *has* been implemented.

If you want to see what the end results of the 'junker' program is, take a
close look at what happened to the net after the infamous white space bug
released with 2.10.2 on the 4.2 tape.

First, messages have random parts of their data eaten at random parts of the
net (sounds like Junker).  Result:  some people see it all, others don't.
Those that don't complain.  The article gets reposted, sometimes multiple
times.  Someone PLEASE tell me how this is going to reduce volume, or why
people who have their articles eaten by Junker will do anything different
than they did with the bug?

Second, the net built an entire culture based on bug-eater lines.  The 
functionality of the bug is that if an article starts with whitespace,
a part of the message is eaten, so people started putting funny sayings
at the start of their message to prevent this.  The functionality of Junker
is well known.  People will be able to invent ways around it.  And they
will, don't worry about that one.

Junker is destructive.  Junker is nothing more than net vandalism. Junker is
bad.  I not only won't support the use of Junker, I will go so far as to
forge my header paths so that any article I post will never GO to any site
running Junker (this is called a boycott).  If/when I am forced to do this,
I will post the forging software to the net so that others can also boycott
sites that run Junker.  If they want to be vandals, they can do it on
someone else's message.

chuq
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