Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!panda!husc6!harvard!seismo!mcvax!ukc!cheviot!robert From: robert@cheviot.newcastle.ac.uk (Robert Stroud) Newsgroups: net.text,net.unix Subject: Re: (ti)troff question - horizontal motion and drawing arguments Message-ID: <849@cheviot.newcastle.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 17-Jun-86 15:34:00 EDT Article-I.D.: cheviot.849 Posted: Tue Jun 17 15:34:00 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 20-Jun-86 01:28:52 EDT References: <274@rtech.UUCP> <157@cs.qmc.ac.uk> <4147@sun.uucp> Reply-To: robert@cheviot.newcastle.ac.uk (Robert Stroud) Distribution: net Organization: U. of Newcastle upon Tyne, U.K. Lines: 40 Xref: watmath net.text:1164 net.unix:8228 On the subject of the delimiters used by pic (and tbl) in complex motion commands, Guy Harris writes: >Not only that, but you can use control characters as delimiters; I think >"mm" (and maybe some other macro packages) use ^G (control-G, ASCII BEL, >'\007') as a delimiter. Why they chose \(ts, I dunno, unless they were >afraid that some macro package had usurped ^G, in which chase whey they >didn't choose ^A or some other control character, I dunno.... >-- > Guy Harris > {ihnp4, decvax, seismo, decwrl, ...}!sun!guy > guy@sun.com (or guy@sun.arpa) I found out about \(ts when I got "out of range" error messages from troff caused by apparently bogus tbl output. After looking at the raw troff commands, it took me ages to work out (a) what \(ts meant! (b) where it was coming from. We were using the device independent version of the formatting tools (ditroff et al) and had written our own device driver for a dot matrix printer, missing out most of the greek characters for obvious reasons! It turns out that if you *don't* have an entry for \(ts in your device driving table (the -T option), these expressions don't work correctly, even though the \(ts is being used purely as a delimiter and you have no intention of ever using it. (Not speaking Greek, I have no idea when a terminal sigma might be preferred over a mere sigma :-) I don't know if this is a bug or a feature, but the problem goes away if you add a dummy entry to your device table saying that the \(ts character has zero width. I thought this was a real Gotcha - you have been warned!! Robert Stroud, Computing Laboratory, University of Newcastle upon Tyne. ARPA robert%cheviot.newcastle@ucl-cs.ARPA UUCP ...!ukc!cheviot!robert