Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!caip!princeton!allegra!ulysses!burl!clyde!cbosgd!osu-eddie!karl From: karl@osu-eddie.UUCP (Karl Kleinpaste) Newsgroups: net.unix Subject: Re: Gripes about /bin/sh AND /bin/csh Message-ID: <1924@osu-eddie.UUCP> Date: Mon, 9-Jun-86 15:40:24 EDT Article-I.D.: osu-eddi.1924 Posted: Mon Jun 9 15:40:24 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Jun-86 00:28:23 EDT References: <931@uwvax.UUCP> <1913@osu-eddie.UUCP> <143@prairie.UUCP> <107@ora.UUCP> Organization: OSU Lines: 26 In article <107@ora.UUCP> tim@ora.UUCP (Tim O'Reilly) writes: >I agree that the response wasn't the kindest. But it did match the >agressive tone of the original posting, which basically implied that >UNIX is brain-damaged, and "why the hell should I be using this stupid >OS?" That was largely why my response gained its (unintentional) character of supposed arrogance. >If the original posting had in fact been the kind of simple request >for help that you claim it was, I am sure it would have received a >more acceptable response. Exactly. It was particularly offensive to me in that it contained patently false assertions, with, uh, commentary to go with it. Uppermost in my mind in this area was the claim that command substitutions using backquotes "just isn't there," followed by the additional complaint that it would be nice to have shorthand mechanisms available, when in fact they already exist in both csh and sh (by aliases and variables, respectively). If you need help, then ask for *help*; don't criticize before you know what the @#$% you're dealing with. It is obvious that the original poster did not. -- Karl Kleinpaste