Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!caip!topaz!ll-xn!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!buffalo.CSNET!colonel From: colonel@buffalo.CSNET ("Col. G. L. Sicherman") Newsgroups: mod.ai Subject: Re: common sense Message-ID: <8607181853.AA27956@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 15-Jul-86 10:57:50 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8607181853.AA27956 Posted: Tue Jul 15 10:57:50 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Jul-86 03:50:48 EDT References: <860714-094227-1917@Xerox> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 24 Approved: ailist@sri-ai.arpa In article <860714-094227-1917@Xerox>, Newman.pasa@XEROX.COM asks: > > However, I think that my point still stands. Searle's argument seems to > assume some "magical" property ... of biology that allows neurons ... > to produce a phenomenon ... that is not producible by other > deterministic systems. > > What is this strange feature of neurobiology? I believe that the mysterious factor is not literally "magic" (in your broad sense), but merely "invisible" to the classical scientific method. A man's brain is very much an _interactive_ system. It interacts con- tinually with all of the world that it can sense. On the other hand, laboratory experiments are designed to be closed systems. They are designed to be controllable; they rely on artificial input, at least in the experimental stage. (When they are used in the field, they may be regarded as intelligent; even a door controlled by an electric eye meets our intuitive criterion for intelligence.) Just what do we demand of "artificial intelligence?" Opening doors for us? Writing music and poems for us? Discoursing on philosophy for us? --Or doing things for _itself,_ and to Hell with humans? I don't think that A.I. people agree about this.