Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!nbires!hao!hplabs!hplabsc!taylor From: taylor@hplabsc.UUCP (Dave Taylor) Newsgroups: mod.comp-soc Subject: Re: Some thoughts on recent postings... Message-ID: <497@hplabsc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 24-Jul-86 20:20:35 EDT Article-I.D.: hplabsc.497 Posted: Thu Jul 24 20:20:35 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 25-Jul-86 06:34:35 EDT Reply-To: hplabs!taylor Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Lines: 44 Approved: taylor@hplabs Reference: <472@hplabsc.UUCP> Eugene Miya says; > [computers are] just another set of toys to distract juries and judges from > issues at hand. Sure, one or two real uses, but justice? Lawyers need more > education. naw. Just to play devils advocate, I disagree. I think that there are a lot of cases where concise unbiased analysis would have been very significant in the ultimate decision made. For example in a case where a person feigns insanity to escape a harsh verdict, instead of having a person who can be easily cross-examined and have their otherwise excellent testimony called into question, if a computer system were accepted by the community (e.g. the Bar + Courts) as a valid test, no amount of familial abuse, or whathaveyou could bias the testimony. I think that at the more `prestigious' cases (what a strange concept) like celebrities on trial for something or, perhaps a better example, cases to do with organized crime (another strange concept, if you think about it) no amount of coercion could influence the system (no "if you testify against bugsy we'll break ya kids face!" phone calls at three in the morning or anything). I think that would be a significant step forward. People are always complaining that justice isn't fair, well here's a way to perhaps even it up a bit. It would be GREAT if it couldn't tell if the person were rich, poor, a minority or whatever and simply be a witness based on THE FACTS ALONE. Let's face it, we're all human and we all have biases. Even the best judges prefer certain racial/ religious/sexual/etc traits in people and are therefore liable to be slightly more lenient towards people they like. Computers can't do that. On the other hand, it really leaves the possibility of tampering wide open. You can harass a person, but you can't alter the structure of their mind (well, you can, but they won't be much use at a trial after- wards). Computers could be reprogrammed, or could be given a set of routines to determine if a name is a minority, or a certain sex, or whatever (in fact, they could hook into IRS or NCIC or something!) (a truly frightening thought - "You're innocent according to the computer analysis, but since you turn out to owe $200 in back taxes we're going to toss you into jail anyway"). -- Dave