Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!mordor!sri-spam!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.ARPA!INFO-MAC-REQUEST From: INFO-MAC-REQUEST@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.mac Subject: INFO-MAC Digest V4 #85 Message-ID: <8607120529.AA23665@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sat, 12-Jul-86 00:33:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8607120529.AA23665 Posted: Sat Jul 12 00:33:00 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Jul-86 07:25:36 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: INFO-MAC@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 455 Approved: info-mac@sumex-aim.arpa INFO-MAC Digest Saturday, 12 Jul 1986 Volume 4 : Issue 85 Today's Topics: SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU TML Pascal RE: laserwriter offendinf lsr command System crashes with Driver 3.1 on 512k Mac's problem running MacDump Lightspeed C timings LSC harmonic test LightspeedC on harmonic bench need a help on Mac hard disk Usenet Mac Digest V2 #54 HFS Pathname FKEY Office Macs? SCSI hard disks? MazeWars _The Academic Macintosh_ Info-Mac is fantastic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu 10 Jul 86 21:46:18-PDT From: Andrew Sweer Subject: SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU The long anticipated name changes of Stanford hosts from the .ARPA domain to the .Stanford.EDU domain are now in progress. For compatibility, provision has been made to retain the .ARPA addresses as aliases for some time. Now is the time to update those private distributition lists as well as to advise foreign correspondents to change any occurrences of SUMEX.ARPA, SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, or any other variation to SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU. [ from the moderator: ouch. Ah, well. Such is progress. DoD.Stanford.EDU ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 16:20 PDT From: PUGH%CCV.MFENET@LLL-MFE.ARPA Subject: TML Pascal I have found that TML Pascal needs to have EDIT, PASCAL, and LINK in the blessed folder for the Compile & Go function to work. TML says that he is working on a new version that will not suffer these problems. He is doing his development on a Mac+ with a 20M Hyperdrive. Sounds like someone is still using MFS, even though there is a full set of HFS support routines in version 1.2. Thanks to all who responded to my plea for help. Jon These opinions are mine and regardless of their accuracy, I did say them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 11:24:51 EDT From: olson@harvard.HARVARD.EDU (Eric Olson) Subject: RE: laserwriter offendinf lsr command lsr undefined could occur if the laserwriter was not initialized with LaserPrep 3.1. If you have more than one Mac on your net, they should all run the same version of the laserwriter files. If this is the problem, power cycling the LW will cause it to reload with the LaserPrep from the first Mac that prints to it. If lsr is still illegal, this is neither the problem nor the solution. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 11:10:46 cdt From: oakhill!tomj@SALLY.UTEXAS.EDU (Tom Johnson) Subject: System crashes with Driver 3.1 on 512k Mac's I believe I have found a problem with using the new (3.1) LaserWriter drivers on a Mac512K...edit a Draw document, draw a figure using the polygon tool, print it -- prints O.K., choose smoothing on this figure and print it again -- crashes the system with ID 02. This only seems to happen on 512K's. Overall configuration is: 15 assorted Mac's (512K's and Plus's), 2 Laser Writers (not pluses), all attached on appletalk and using MacServe with about 6 of the Macs (4 Plus's and 2 512k's) set up as servers and the rest as user nodes. The servers use a mix of Plus's with Peak Plus30's and HD20's and the 512k's use HD20's. The problem occurs ONLY on 512k's using either Sys 3.2/Finder 5.3/Driver 3.1 *or* Sys 3.1.1/Finder 5.2/Driver 3.1. Haven't tried Sys 3.2/Finder 5.3/ Driver 3.0. I believe the problem to be one of incompatibility between Driver 3.1 and the 64k ROMs in the 512k's. Another variation on the problem is to paste the smoothed figure into a Write document and print. The document prints, but no smoothed figure! Any assistance/ideas on what to try next would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Tom Johnson (ut_sally!oakhill!tomj) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 20:07 CDT From: Chan@HI-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: problem running MacDump I have problem trying to get MacDump to run. Does anyone get it to work on a 512K Mac? I am running Finder 5.2, System 3.2 with the Apple's HD20. Everything seemed OK until I got to the point that MacDump asked for a new disk. No matter what I did, MacDump insisted I have a disk with the old file and wanted a HFS disk. This included disk initialized by MacDump (BTW, the dialog box only siad eject or initialize but the Macdump doc said clipped on the one-sided while holding the option key -- maybe this is the case for a Mac+), or disk previuosly initialized. I would really like to back up my HD20. Would like to know if someone got MacDump running on a 512K Mac. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 16:14 PDT From: PUGH%CCV.MFENET@LLL-MFE.ARPA Subject: Lightspeed C timings I ran the harmonic benchmark through Lightspeed and produced these results in just a few minutes. Data Type Size (bits) Sum Time float 32 9.787604331970214843 20.333 short double 64 9.787606036044385505 20.667 double 80 9.787606036044382267 16.667 These times are approximate and should be used only for comparison. Your times may vary. Please note that the quoted times for Consulair were 20 and 24. That makes Lightspeed about 4 seconds faster. This was run on a Mac+ though, so that might account for it. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 9:25:59 EDT From: Meredith Lesly Subject: LSC harmonic test I ran the program as is (no changes needed!) with the following time: 19.867 secs. Oddly enough, changing i to a register variables made no difference in time - I'll have to look at the object code to figure out why. I suppose that the overhead of it being a non-register variables is minimal compared to the rest of the loop. This was with 80-bit numbers, btw. With "short doubles" (64-bit numbers), the time was 25.45 seconds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 14:17:56 MDT From: t-jacobs%utah-cbd@utah-cs.arpa (Tony Jacobs) Subject: LightspeedC on harmonic bench Regarding (DAVID A. BELSLEY) & Subject: More benchmarking floating-point I ran the harmonic program using LightspeedC and the following code: #include "stdio.h" main() { short i; double sum; float time; sum = 0.0; time = TickCount(); for (i=1; i<10001; i++) sum += 1.0/i; time = TickCount() - time; printf("time = %6.2f secs.\n", time/60); } the time came out as 20.42 secs. on a regular mac and 16.98 on a Mac+! I assume the Mac+ is faster because of some of the new stuff that is in the roms now. Lightspeed defines a 'double' to be the extended 84 bits with a 'short double' being 64 bits. The time for a short double was about 25 seconds. By the way, it only took me 1 min. 45 secs. to start up LightspeedC, build the project file, compile, run for a test ( which includes the 20 sec run time), build the application into a standalone, and exit to the finder! Tony Jacobs t-jacobs@utah-cbd ------------------------------ Date: Fri 11 Jul 86 10:54:20-PDT From: Woo-Sang Park Subject: need a help on Mac hard disk Hello, there ! This is one of the EE grad student. Since I have a bare 20M hard disk unit, I am thinking of building a hard disk for my 512K FatMac by myself. I will probably upgrade my Mac before installing a hard disk. This could be either an upgrade into MacIntosh Plus or an upgrade with a new ROM and an 800K internal disk drive at least. I need to build an controller board for the hard disk, I think. Do you have an hardware specification on MacIntosh/MacIntosh+, especially SCSI interface specs ? If not, who(what) is a good source for those infos ? Are there real good hands-on people around on campus, whom I can talk to ? Any suggestions are very welcome ! I desperately need a big help on this matter. I really appreciate your help concerning this matter. Hope to hear from you soon. Please send me a reply at 'park@su-star'. Thanks much ! Woo-Sang ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 86 11:28:32 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #54 Usenet Mac Digest Friday, 11 July 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 54 Today's Topics: HFS Backup-RESTORE Review, and Apple HD20 \"Missing Space\"... Re: mac mouse MiniFinder-type question... Problems with Laserwriter file 3.1 Fedit blues Flight Simulator Problems Apple Bug in new system??? Micah Micahmount enhancements LightSpeed C SetEventMask bug Hard Disk Back-Up Programs Lightspeed C & Hard Disk 20 Info on twiddling cache in PRAM? C compilers for scientific applications Alternate MacDraw Menu Re: Problems with Laserwriter file 3.1 Re: mapscan.hqx Re: Window Zooming Dr. Dobbs Upgrade and HD drives Ether-Apple talk Re: alternate MacDraw menu MaxPrint with mac plus and HD20 experlisp and experops5 on machintosh More items from Mactel Relational Databases duplicate entries [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]USENETV2-54.ARC DoD ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 20:13 PDT From: PUGH%CCV.MFENET@LLL-MFE.ARPA Subject: HFS Pathname FKEY This is a Packit file (uncompressed) that contains my first real Macintosh program. It is an FKEY (number 6 to be precise) called Pathname that presents the user with the SFGet Dialog box and places the chosen file's complete path name into the Clipboard for subsequent pasting. It is a must for anyone using their hard disk for a slideshow type script file or for include file specifications (unless you are normal and put ALL your include files in the same folder). This only works on the new ROMs or with the HD20 driver present. It was written in TML Pascal on a Mac+ with a Micahdrive. I have a few comments and questions about this. If the Clipboard is the foremost window when this is called, the update event will only update the portion of the window covered by the SFGet dialog box, resulting in an inaccurate and goofy looking window at times. Is there a way to force the entire window to update, aside from bringing another window to the front and then bringing the clipboard to the front again. I suppose I could cause the entire screen to update, but that seems somewhat overbearing. How can I just update the entire front window if and only if it is the clipboard (a tall order, I suspect). Plus, if you are in an editor the cursor is normally a bar and when you get back from Pathname the cursor is an arrow again. It will not change until it crosses a boundry where it is supposed to change, like onto the menu bar. Anyone know a way to retrieve and reset the cursor? Wouldn't that be a fairly obvious thing to do or am I just being dumb? All in all these are two fairly minor points. I hope they do not prevent you from enjoying this little ditty. By the by, you should use ResEdit to open the file Pathname and copy the FKEY from it and open your System and paste the FKEy into it. No sweat, no hassle. Have fun, Jon [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]UTILITY-HFS-PATHNAME.HQX DoD ] ------------------------------ Subject: Office Macs? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 11:48:17 -0800 From: Kathleen Huddleston Here at UCI we are experimenting with having our secretarial staff use Macintoshes in a 4.2 Unix environment. They usually used emacs or vi and various formatters to produce their work -- supporting faculty and departmental work. Now, we're having them use MacTerminal and hoping to give them some new capabilities. So far, all their machines are stand-alone and they have no local Macintosh printing -- they are still working mainly on the Unix machines. I would like to learn about others experiences moving from time-shared Unix environments to environments with Macs connected to Unix -- and possibly networked to each other in some way. What have you included in the basic workstation (e.g., Mac, printer, floppy or hard drives)? Have you networked the Macs? How? What kinds of Mac printing have you provided (Imagewriters, LaserWriters, imagens, others)? Are you using file servers for the Macs? Unix machines as file servers? Are you using the Unix programs that allow Mac documents to be printed on imagens? What lessons have you learned? Currently, seven secretaries - distributed in suites on a single floor - and three faculty have Macs. If we found a successful plan, we might want to increase this to 20 - 30 users distributed in several locations. I would be interested in any accounts related to work settings with both Macs and Unix and multiple users that need to share files. You can send a response to gregory@ics.uci.edu. If you don't want to compose an E-Mail message or would be willing to discuss this further over the phone, include you phone number and I will call to ask you about it. Thanks so much. Kathleen Huddleston (gregory@ics.uci.edu) ------------------------------ Subject: SCSI hard disks? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 11:31:34 -0800 From: Kathleen Huddleston I am considering a 20 megabyte hard disk. Currently, I'm thinking about the LoDown or Dataframe 20 because they are both affordable (< $1000), quiet - no fan - and I have heard they are reliable. I would appreciate any first hand -- or reliable second-hand -- reports about either of these drives, or others that I should consider. If you can recommend a good mail-order source (outside California) with a good price on either of these, I would also appreciate the phone #. I currently have a Monster Mac Plus - I will need to get the Levco SCSI. Any experience with compatability of Levco SCSI? OTBE, I like having the harddisk fit under the Mac, as the LoDown does, rather than on the side, but reliability, features, price and noise level are my main concerns. Send replies to gregory@ics.uci.edu Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1986 12:35 EST From: Dave Elbon Subject: MazeWars Is there a version of MazeWars (or something similar) that will run on a Mac+ with System 3.2? If so, how can I get it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 86 16:58:58 pdt From: well!phoffman@lll-lcc.ARPA (Paul Hoffman) Subject: _The Academic Macintosh_ I am writing a book called _The Academic Macintosh_ which will cover all the uses of the Mac on college campuses. I am very interested in any Mac projects, especially those not covered in Wheels For The Mind. The book will cover how professors and students use commercial Mac programs as well as the the programs they write themselves. If you are working on a Mac project on campus, please send me mail or call me. Paul Hoffman 2000 Center Street, Suite 1024 Berkeley, CA 94704 415/644-0433 UUCP: well!phoffman@lll-crg BIX: paul.hoffman WELL: phoffman CompuServe: 71545,346 MCI Mail: Proper Software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 12:06:08 PDT From: Lionel_Tolan%SFU.Mailnet%UBC.MAILNET@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: Info-Mac is fantastic Info-Mac is fantastic. I've participated in a number of conferences on a number of conferencing systems and I think Info-Mac is the best. Having a Mac Newsletter delivered each day is wonderfully painless and having a moderator who either discourages or deletes useless chat saves me over an hour a day. I think the moderator must personally be responsible for saving the North American (perhaps the world) economy hundreds of thousands of people hours annually....... Sorry for the idle chat! [ I want no comments from the peanut gallery. All right, this has nothing to do with the Macintosh. But if you want your message included in a digest ... DoD ] ------------------------------ End of INFO-MAC Digest **********************