Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!petrus!scherzo!allegra!mit-eddie!Love-Hounds-Post From: Love-Hounds-Post@eddie.mit.edu Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest (Issue L3) Message-ID: <2378@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 26-Jun-86 05:05:45 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.2378 Posted: Thu Jun 26 05:05:45 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 26-Jun-86 19:38:51 EDT Sender: nessus@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Organization: M.I.T. EE/CS Computer Facility, Cambridge MA Lines: 266 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Issue L3 Topics: * Frippertronics * New questions for alternative music gurus * Re: Frippertronics * RUN! Don't walk... * Something pertinent * The importance of quality * records [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 24 Jun 86 11:28:12 EST From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Bill Hsu) >Really-From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU >There are two issues here. First is the distinction which you >rightly make between a work of art's "importance" and its "quality". For interesting comments on artistic influence and posterity, and the difficulty of making "unbiased" judgement, see, of course, the Doug Alan/Greg Taylor debates in net.music. A good reference is the annual serious literature vs. popular literature debates in net.sf-lovers. (It's mostly poor Bill Ingogly vs. the masses in the latter. :-)) >Second, if, as you say, Hounds of Love is "mostly a refinement and >mixture" of The Dreaming's "innovations", then it is far more likely >that Hounds of Love will prove the more "important", since >its influence is likely to be broader... >You offer no specific reason for ascribing a label of superior >quality to The Dreaming, only reasons for according it the >quite different distinction of greater "importance". Here's why I think HoL is inferior to the Dreaming (with the standard disclaimer that this is my PERSONAL blah blah blah undoubtedly influenced by my morbid childhood, bourgeois upbringing, unbourgeois college (un)life, half-assed attempt to understand frogspeak, etc.:-) ). HoL takes fewer chances than the Dreaming. I enjoy things that try to explore and burst the bounds of their medium, and I think the Dreaming does this better than HoL. Also, I feel that the Dreaming is a more "consistent" (whatever that means) album than HoL. If I were to tape HoL, I could live without the first 3 songs on side A (oops, I can see Doug driving down to Indiana with a shotgun :-)). But if I were to tape the Dreaming, there is no song that I can bear to cut. Bill Hsu [][][][][][][][][][] Posted-Date: 24 Jun 86 09:04:23 PDT (Tue) Subject: Frippertronics Date: 24 Jun 86 09:04:23 PDT (Tue) From: tsung@aerospace.ARPA What is Frippertronics? Who did the awesomely wretched vocal in "Exposure" from Fripp's "Exposure"? space is what I need is what I feed on Fu-Sheng [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 24 Jun 86 11:46:28 EST From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Bill Hsu) Subject: New questions for alternative music gurus No, no, this is not a list of questions about obscure groups, more like a rephrasing of some stuff that came up before... Question of the day: How do you justify philosophically to a person with mainstream tastes that he should listen to different musics? You can tie your victim to a chair and play him lots of non-mainstream music that he'll even admit to as being "beautiful" and "interesting". You may even seduce him with music that may be compatible with his tastes, e.g., the chamber music lover with Tuxedomoon, the jazz fan with However and Art Bears, the '60s fan with the latest Butthole Surfers. But let's face it: a lot of people are not very demanding of their music, and they're not going to want to take the extra trouble to seek out alternative music when they feel they have all they need from Top 40. Quasi-aesthetic arguments might not work because your victim always has the standard disclaimer that he's not into, umm, "culture". :-) Socio-political arguments (support starving oppressed musicians) might not work because your victim can always use quasi-aesthetic arguments ("Top 40 sounds better than Sonic Youth, who cares if Sonic Youth are starving oppressed musicians?" :-)) What would YOU do? Bill Hsu [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 24 Jun 86 11:51:17 EST From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Bill Hsu) Subject: Re: Frippertronics Frippertronics is mainly Robert Fripp playing guitar over lots of tape loops and electronics. Kind of Fripp's version of Eno's ambient stuff. If you have to have hours of Frippertronics (not my suggestion to build an interesting record collection), buy the Fripp and Eno albums and also Fripp's solo albums after Exposure. Decent wallpaper music, but muzak nevertheless (except for a few isolated guitar solos.) Bill [][][][][][][][][][] From: bu-cs!sam Date: Tue, 24 Jun 86 12:25:01 EDT Subject: RUN! Don't walk... ...to your nearest Strawberries or , and BUY THE ALBUM SOUNDTRACK to the movie "Dangerously Close". How, you may ask, did I come upon this stupendous discovery?? Well, as is in my nature, I recently had a mad obsession with the single, "Blood and Roses" by the Smithereens, and went trapesing into my neighborhood record store to find it. But alas, they did not have the single, and the album wasn't out yet. "But," said my friendly neighborhood record salesman, "if you are really desperate, they appear on the soundtrack for `Dangerously Close'." Now of course at this point, I hadn't even HEARD of the damn movie, but I did warp six to the soundtrack section nonetheless. And there, on Side One, Track One, was my song. (Ahhhhh...) So I get home and play the tape and it's GREAT! Here's what's on it: Blood and Roses - The Smithereens Chill Out - Black Uhuru Sea Of Cortez - Green on Red Change Today? - Tsol Kiss of Death - Lords of the New Church Find Your Own Way - Lost Pilots Some Other Guy - The Smithereens Hunt Down - Michael McCarty The Search - Michael McCarty Dangerously Close - Michael McCarty It's even on Enigma Records. - Shelli [][][][][][][][][][] From: allynh@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck) Subject: Something pertinent Date: Tue, 24 Jun 86 16:23:54 PDT Here's a quote from Mantra. This was in Beef Magazine, an SF freebie on art, music, and culture for whom KuKuKu did a benefit. There may be some vinyl out soon - a friend taking a sound engineering class over at SF State saw a tape in the studio with their name on it. Mantra - Lead vocalist and performer, "KuKuKu" The New Revolution is a spiritual revolution. I am a priestess; I want to bring you through the fire, not leave you in it. I would die for you if need be. I've been having some visions which I would hesitate to tell anyone but my closest friends because they are alarming. I'm scarier than Kate Bush and sweeter than Diamanda Galas, but we're all sisters: we believe in God. God told me to do this; I don't know what his intentions are. God's got a pinstripe suit on, a monocle, a little cane, and blonde hair; he's very dapper. [Tom Wolfe is God? Ed.] I wear a suit of armor and a sword so that people can rally behind me. I want people to have the courage to confront what might be out there. One of these days, I'm going to march all these people out of the auditorium, take them for coffee and donuts, and then we're going to the White House! The government doesn't care what the spiritual climate of our youth is, and the kids don't realize the power they have! I want to set people free and make them brave: if I can do it, you can do it. You can get the same effect from a KuKuKu show as you can from being rolfed, only ours is half the cost and is pleasurable instead! Our music is white people music PLUS black people music - not us trying to be black. Classical and folk are a part of it: there IS white culture, there IS white soul. The music itself is drawn from our ethnicity: we use eastern European meters and there are some Celtic influences. Our songs are little narratives: "Wet Dagger" is about little Jane Finley from the typing pool. She is frustrated - she's making the best of things and yet one day it is too much for her. She's angry at male culture, she's trapped in a highrise - this terrible longing comes up in her womb to be wild and crazy: she wants to be violent, horrible, unladylike, bloody, smelly, and rip things up with her fingernails and taste blood. But she doesn't win - all it ever is is a fantasy. I have to act it out for people; most people just hold it in because they think: "I can't! What will people think!?!" What people need to realize is that you don't die if you take that chance. Be brave! Fight for your dignity! You're not a helpless drone! [][][][][][][][][][] From: Jeff Dalton Date: Wed, 25 Jun 86 01:01:46 -0100 Subject: The importance of quality "Important" is just something critics say to imply that they're on top of what's going to Really Matter. The distinction between quality and influence is better; we all know that the worst stuff can be influential if it sells because other people want to sell too (and because they've heard the stuff that sells and not the stuff that doesn't). But then influence may not be a good sign after all. What you want as a word of praise is something meaning influence that moves music in a direction that you think is right; here is where "important" comes back into its pretentious own. But I don't think this can easily be separated from quality. If it's really better, why won't it be more important in the end? Well, perhaps people just get it wrong and prefer the junk. But all of this seems rather pointless. I like to hear what people like and why they like it; I don't particularly care what they think various words mean. Now I know that some people think HoL is better than The Dreaming and that others disagree, but I don't know anything new about quality. And I haven't learned anything new about either record. [][][][][][][][][][] From: think!caip!unirot!fidelis Date: Wed, 25 Jun 86 01:47:02 edt Subject: records Organization: Public Access Un*x, Piscataway NJ (The Soup Kitchen) Peter Murphy's newest single has been out...and it is good. It's...dance music! Take DALIS CAR and make the beat heavier and faster. However, I still think Love and Rockets are much better...I mean, in musical style. Also got a Sigue Sigue Sputnik bootleg cassette - Croydon 10/18/85... (I really wanted to know how they sounded like without spening hours in a studio mixing a song)...and they sound AWFUL! blech...barfo... They are BAD... All songs have the same drum track, pretty much the same synth, Matin Degville would occasionally yell a lyric out and it would echo, also some film clips would be played, and that annoying guitar! It has about 10 or so songs on it, thank god they've only released LOVE MISSILE F1-11 and 21st CENTURY BOY...I don't think I can handle the other junk! oh yeah ... what was the name of the group that does the song PSYCHOFUCKADELIC? it from an album titled BABY YOU BUM ME OUT...blah blah blah (I forget the rest of the title). it sounds like thrash/funk/pschedelia a must buy! -> BEDLAM's version of the Lost in SPace THeme! g'nite! Fidelis [][][][][][][][][][] End of Love-Hounds Digest