Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!seismo!think!mit-eddie!Love-Hounds-Post From: Love-Hounds-Post@mit-eddie.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest (Issue L9) Message-ID: <2540@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 14-Jul-86 14:05:06 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.2540 Posted: Mon Jul 14 14:05:06 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 14-Jul-86 23:06:30 EDT Sender: nessus@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Organization: M.I.T. EE/CS Computer Facility, Cambridge MA Lines: 427 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Issue L9 Topics: * some comments to recent digests.. * 'eam I(ED) * Adrian Belew. The Pink Holes. * Sonic Youth Bootleg * KB News * Reply to IED * capital radio * HG 23 * Public Image Limited at the Warfield Theater in SF 6/2/86 * "Don't Give Up" * IEDeosynchronicities * Creation Records Compilation [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 8 Jul 86 16:14:29 EDT From: JURGEN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: some comments to recent digests.. Andy - yes, Adrien Belew was in 'Home of the Brave'. It was also not the first time that he has worked with Laurie... i understand that he played on 'Mr. Heartbreak', and also, he and Laurie collaborated with Jean Michel Jarre in 84 on the album 'Zoolook' (good stuff, check it out). Adrien Belew must be the one person who has worked with more great artists in the music/ performance genre than any other man alive! (Zappa, Bowie, Fripp, Laurie, Talking Heads, to name a few... if anyone could make a complete list, i'd love to see it) My oppinion about the TD/HoL debat is simple: i agree with the majority that TD is the better record. Or at least i like to listen to it more. But i do believe that HoL is also a very nice work, and as to originality, that's not something you can measure like temperature. The fact that HoL has more 'commercial potential' does not make it unoriginal. I suppose that every- one agrees that Kate ''s stuff is 'progressive music', and that implies that it be progressive onto itself, as well as with respect to the industry, and HoL is certainly a progression (?)... > [doug on Toyah..] Toyah sounds a lot like she wants to be Kate Bush... I must protest! I like Toyah a lot, and i also think that she doesn't measure up to Kate in talent, but she is certainly not trying to sound like Kate. If i'm right, both Toyah and Kate started out around the same time, Toyah a little earlier if anything, but Toyah was much more popular in England early in their careers, so it is not very likely that there was much copying of style there. Her (Toyah's) first couple of records were really original and progressive, even though Doug is right about her only being an average musician. I recommend 'The Changeling' and 'Anthem' very strongly to anyone who would like to hear what she sounds like... - Jurgen Botz [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 09 Jul 86 17:37 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: 'eam I(ED) Just sent off a list of questions for Kate to answer in future issues of the KBC Newsletter. With luck she may take pity on us and let us know what those Latin and Czech (?) choruses are saying. Meanwhile, EMI-America has finally released the 7" "Special Single Mix" of "The Big Sky" -- two weeks AFTER MTV dropped the film from their rotation lists. I swear those EMI people are the biggest nudniks on earth. What do they eat for breakfast? Don't they KNOW that Robyn Carstairs-Somerville will take this latest episode of EMI's de-promotion of Kate as further proof of subversive corporate conspiracy? [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 8 Jul 86 10:18:16 pdt From: fritzz@net1.UCSD.EDU.EDU (Friedrich Knauss) (tty0b) Subject: Adrian Belew. The Pink Holes. > Subject: Home of the Brave (new Laurie Anderson Movie) > Yow! Pretty good stuff. > Did anyone else notice that (shriek!) Adrian Belew was in it? When adrian did his last tour here in town he played a guitar that had been painted by miss anderson. cool stuff. (He's been on at least two of her albums...) So, when are the bears gonna have an album? > How many people see a record in a bin by an artist they've never > heard of, and just buy it for the hell of it? I do I do I do! Just last week I baught an album by the pink holes called the amazing pink holes which I'd never heard of before. I heartily recommend it. (Um, its on el "something" label that has as a drawing of two cows humping in front of a barn). f [][][][][][][][][][] Posted-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 86 16:11:20 cdt Date: Mon, 7 Jul 86 16:11:20 cdt From: ll-xn!uwvax!astroatc!gtaylor (More Blurred Than Slurred) Subject: Sonic Youth Bootleg Apparently-To: Love-Hounds Perusing that bastionrag of the "AHHT" world Artforum (which I bought for the Eno flexi in it), I notice an ecstatic review of a Sonic Youth live recording that exists in bootleg form. From what Greil Marcus say about it, it seems to have a lot of the detuned live noise stuff on the stuff that the Hof has allowed me to hear. I wanna hear it. Do any of you have it? Wanna swap for a live Robert Fripp at the Kitchen bootleg tape? This bodes ill for the youth if they're attracting the interest of the art world, I'll betcha.......... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 01:37:50 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: KB News Well, the latest issue (#23) of *Homeground*, "the International Kate Bush Fanzine" arrived a few days ago and there's some new news: Kate is now working on her next album. She hopes to begin recording very shortly and the target date for completion is sometime next Spring (and if you believe that one, I have a very nice Orgone Accumulator for sale, real cheap.) A German record company somehow got hold of some of one Kate's early demo tapes from 1973, and believed it had purchased the rights to press it. The album was pressed and entitled *Kate Bush: The Early Years*. When Kate found out about it, she took legal action and all the pressed albums are to be destroyed. If anyone ever sees one of these, please keep in mind that Doug will gnaw off his left arm and mail it to you in exchange for this album. Fred and Judy Vermorel apparantly plan to publish yet another biography of Kate. And these are some reviews of "Don't Give Up": Melody Maker: The stand-out track is "Don't Give Up"... set against his sombre narrative... comes Kate Bush's imploring counterpoint, begging him to believe in himself the way his family and friends do. Her fragile anguished performance gives the piece almost unbearable emotional impact... Sounds: "Don't Give Up", the worst song on the album, is a complicated analogue that winds up sounding like a James Taylor poem... - Doug "Apocalypse Soon" Alan [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 9:48:58 EDT From: James B Hofmann Subject: Reply to IED Dear IED: I thought the directive of this digest was to discuss all music, not just Ms. Bush. Face it, some of you could probably use a vacation from her New Age pseudo-mystiktism. Doug, perhaps you could clarify your description about the intent of this digest. Another question that bothers me: has the PMRC rated Kate yet? Will the Meese Kommision decide she is pornographic and slap her in leg- irons if she ever comes back to the states? Can I get pictures if they do? Kate in bondage, yow. jimboy p.s. Sue - cool Swans review. Now if only I could find de damn vinyl. [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 15:46:03 EDT From: David S. Comay Subject: capital radio sorry to bother all you love-hounds out there that don't live in the d.c./maryland/virginia area, but i recently moved out here from oregon and am searching for one or more decent radio stations. something along the lines of kalx in berkeley or kxlu in los angeles would be real nice, with commercial-free stations a definite plus (does anybody still listen to commercial radio?) anyway, does anybody know of a station that is not afraid to play sonic youth alongside linton kwesi johnson and perhaps even a little bit of kate once in awhile? dsc capital radio, capital in tune with nothing, don't touch that dial ... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 22:18 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: HG 23 Got "Homeground" number 23 yesterday. Doug has mentioned the big news to L-Hs, with appropriate dubiety about its reliability. IED would like to add for the record that this issue is really a major improvement over earlier HGs. If it were just the glossy paper I wouldn't be (too) impressed (I hope), but the artwork is a definite improvement: Debbie's (?) cover is really an exceptional drawing after a photo, and Steve's "Cosmic Kate" is much better organized than it used to be, and quite funny.Perhaps the competition, as well as the shot in the arm they've got from Kate's apparent endorsement, have combined to push them to new heights. Incidentally, IED still hasn't had an answer from Blow-Away, even after seven months and three letters (two of which even had the right address on them). Regarding Belew, he worked on Riuichi Sakamoto's LP "Left-Handed Dream" and the Sakamoto/Robin Scott (formerly "M") EP "The Arrangement", which includes versions of the LP tracks. IED shouldn't be discussing this, it has nothing to do with KT. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thursday, July 10, 1986 11:47:30 From: mayer Subject: Public Image Limited at the Warfield Theater in SF 6/2/86 I have wanted to see PiL for a while. The last time I saw Johnny Rotten performing was with the sex pistols back in London in 1977. I was 13. I've often been told to check out PiL.... "they're intense" .... I was told. THEY were right. THEY often are. Opening band sucked donkey dicks. I can't remember their name, but they do that stupid semi-rap song "We Care Alot" that I had the misfortune of hearing the night after seeing PiL at Club DNA in SF. Anybody know who these clowns are so I can be sure to miss them next time? PIL: Yowza! The show started off slow with the band playing some Led Zeppelin tune and Johnny howling. It all comes full circle y'know. Johnny Lydon, a.k.a. Johnny Rotten, was doing it as a reaction to the purple acid haze left by the sixties and found in Led Zeppelin's music. And now PiL is churning out their own version of postpunk acid-haze. Pil, why, they're the Grateful Dead of punk! Cult-followed since the demise of punk (whenever that happened), Pil, has that "old band" feel that you only get out of really practised bands like the Dead, or like Siouxsie and the Banshees. And besides, everything PiL does on album is shit. Just like the dead. But they sure give good concerts. Just like the dead. The band itself puts you in a high-tech acid haze brought on by lots of digital delays on the voice, guitar synthesizers... a mean bass line churned out by some natty looking black dude playing a steinberger really drove the music. The overall effect was a whirling dervish of sound that sounded like King Crimson meets Ravi Shankar. The Indo-rock aspect of the music was really unmistakeable when the guitar player brought out some four string indian thang (well, it wasn't a sarod, sitar, or tamboura, as far as I can tell) that sounded like the high end of a sitar. And the bass player at times could have been playing a sarod. They both seemed to be plugged into a sounds effects machine that seemed to give mached digital efxts between the guitar and the bass.... so that pitch-shifting modulations of the harmonics of the bass and guitar seemed to be synchronized.... both the guit and bass stayed in tune with each other despite the wide pitch modulations caused by the harmonizer-delays. It seems like they were feeding the guitar and bass sounds to a synth. Its hard to describe. It sounds really nice. Makes you want to melt. Ok, so what about Johnny? well, he was simply this incredible stage presense. If you're into ascerbic english fellows of extreme pallor and egomaniacal tendencies, then you'd probly like Johnny's stage presence. Some fuckwad had a flashback to '77 and thought it cool to spit on Johnny, which prompted a nasty "You little bastard" from Lydon and audience applause. As far as stage prescience goes... well I was fucking overwhelmed at about 10 feet away from Lydon in the really-mild-thrash-pit-consisting-of-mostly-kids-from-milpitas. Hopefully the rest of the audience notices Lydon's energy else half the show is gone. The result. A bunch of intense musicians, with a ex. Sex Pistols member thrown in for free to provide "test-of-time-respectability". So there. Niels Mayer (mayer@hplabs.hp.com) Hewlett Packard Laboratories. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 16:25:47 EDT From: bu-cs!sam (Shelli Meyers) Subject: "Don't Give Up" >This is an understandable reaction (although it's really not >fair to say the song is WORSE than Lionel Richie, etc. Come on!). >You haven't made any direct criticism of Kate here, but given the >purported subject of L-Hs, criticism of her has been implied. [paragraphs on how I shouldn't have blamed Kate at all] Wait! Calm down! I didn't flame Kate. I know Peter Gabriel wrote it. Although if Kate wrote it I'd still hate it. You know what I hate the *MOST* about "Don't Give Up"? The lyrics are so NAUSEATINGLY trite. >And what of this >Big Country record, and Kate's vocal on "The Seer"? That's a pretty >silly track, despite the care taken with the syntax of its lyrics. >(The worst thing about it is the lead singer's insistence on taking over >Kate's part, with Kate relegated to the background! As if there >wasn't quite enough of his voice on the rest of the album!) Geez, and I *like* "The Seer". I think it is a) nicely arranged, especially the vocals; b) doesn't sound the SAME THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SONG; and c) is very fun and unusual, especially for Big Country. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 22:22 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: IEDeosynchronicities O.K., go ahead and maunder on about subjects unrelated to Kate if you want, Jimbo. IED was in a bad mood when posting that intolerant message. IED would like to ask one thing, however: WHY? WHY would you want to discuss OTHER music than Kate's? Or at least, why discuss other music except insofar as it might be related to Kate's in some way? This is truly a puzzlement... Speaking of Kate, IED just got out of the Nuart after seeing Herzog's "Nosferatu" again. This time he was armed with a walkman and recorded the Czech (or Russian) men's choral passage from the film which Kate used in The Ninth Wave. The "folk music", as it is called in the opening credits, is performed by a group called "Zinzcaro", if the name is remembered correctly. (The damn film isn't out on video in this country, apparently, so IED can only go by memory about the spelling.) NOT by the Richard Hickox Singers. This is especially significant in light of the extraordinary similarity between the two performances of the piece. On careful listening, however, it is clear that, although extremely similar, the two performances are definitely different. The point where the difference is most clearly audible is in the forte repeat of the theme: in Kate's version the singing is a bit stronger, and the bass singer holds his note steadily between two of the chorus's syllables. This is not the case in the film version. Also, Kate has treated the sound of the choir electronically in some way -- or so it seems to IED -- whereas the film choir, which sings unaccompanied (Kate's choir is supported by a fermata note by a string section), is recorded in a more prosaic way. All of this is particularly interesting because the same thing seems to be the case with the excerpt from "Curse of the Demon" which can be heard at the beginning of "Hounds of Love". IED has been assured that this passage is not the original, but a careful re-creation. Yet it is so similar that without such assurance it would be difficult to believe. If anyone is in contact with a German folk-music fan, perhaps he/she might ask about "Zinzcaro"? Meanwhile IED plans to try to track down Richard Hickox. Incidentally, the lead actor (not Kinski, but the younger man who plays Jonathan Harker) bears an astonishing resemblance to the actor whom Kate hired for the romantic lead in her "Hounds of Love" film. If it weren't for the thinning hair of the actor in "Nosferatu", IED would swear they were one and the same man. [][][][][][][][][][] From: think!caip!unirot!fidelis Date: Sun, 13 Jul 86 00:18:54 edt Subject: Creation Records Compilation Organization: Pubic Access Un*x, Pissthataway NJ (The Soup Kitchen) There's a compilation album called "I Love the Smell of Napalm"... mfg. and dist. in the U.S. by Rough Trade. It is a compilation of various singles on the Creation label. SUch as The Jasmine Minks, Slaughter Joe, Meat Whiplash, The Bodines, and more. It is actually pretty good...considering most other compilations are rather poor. (I don't know why this was under hardcore at the record store either - I thought the people there knew their music). Slaughter Joe is the guy that produced Jesus and the Mary Chain, tho' he is rather pathetic... Meat Whiplash is another group produced by him... they *try* to sound like JaMC - two droning, screaming guitars, simple bass line, two piece drum set...but the vocals suck, and they can't even make some kind of melody out of two chords... A song by the Weather Prophets is kinda cool...semi-60'ish. While a group called Revolving Paint Dream plays stereotypical psychedelia - slightly amusing. The other groups featured are: Biff Bang Pow!, and Primal Scream... CHameleon's new single is very good. Tho' it is on Geffen Records Incidentally, the lead actor (not Kinski, but the younger now. (Did MCA drop them?) It has the usual drawn cover...but inside are.. *gasp*...PHOTOS of them...at least the music doesn't sound like they sold out. ANyway, it includes a free single, which contains "Swamp Thing" and Incidentally, the lead actor (not Kinski, but the younger "Inside out" Which are rather good! Normally, free singles have terrible stuff on them. The material sounds like their las album, except polished up a bit more (maybe just a better recording studio). SIngle is called "Tears" b/w "Paradiso" "This is for when your flesh creeps and never comes back..." ...caip!unirot!fidelis (Usenet is great...but Love-Hounds comes so late, and sometimes we miss some issues! BLEH!) [][][][][][][][][][] End of Love-Hounds Digest