Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!lll-lcc!dual!ucbvax!A.ISI.EDU!CERF From: CERF@A.ISI.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: DoD Representation at ISO Message-ID: <[A.ISI.EDU]11-Jul-86.07:37:21.CERF> Date: Fri, 11-Jul-86 07:37:00 EDT Article-I.D.: <[A.ISI.EDU]11-Jul-86.07:37:21.CERF> Posted: Fri Jul 11 07:37:00 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 11-Jul-86 23:13:29 EDT References: <[A.BBN.COM]10-Jul-86.15:34:30.DDEUTSCH> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 32 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa Debbie, I found your message well phrased and persuasive. Having spent the last three years in a commercial environment, I can relate to the difference between CCITT goals and ARPANET/INTERNET. Even CCITT has some narrowness in its thinking relative to the business side of messaging - my impression thus far is that much less progress has been made on the side of interexchange accounting and reconciliation than has been made on the technical side. Another factor which affects CCITT and ISO choices is simply the size of the deliberative body and the mechanisms which are needed to achieve agreement. In the ARPANET world, at least for a part of its history, it was possible to take arbitrary decisions and enforce them because ARPA paid for the work, it was experimental, and the community was not relying on it to make a product which generated profit. In the CCITT/commercial world, the requirements are rather more difficult to meet and there is no arbiter of last resort; only the plenary general assembly meetings and the circulation of draft standards for voting. I think the ARPANET/INTERNET community should be proud that the technology it spawned has captured commercial and international attention - the fact that it emerged somewhat differently from the design we have is almost unavoidable. Just like TCP/TP4 and DOD IP and ISO IP. If there are technical flaws in the international standards which make them unworkable, then we ought to articulate them, but if they can be made to work, then we should do our best to use them so as to achieve compatibility with a much broader segment of the world than just our existing research base. Of course, I am much in favor of pressing on to develop the next set of ideas in the research environment; I just don't expect the research work to emerge in the commercial world in verbatim form (look at X.25 vs ARPANET, for example!). Vint Cerf