Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!seismo!rochester!cornell!uw-beaver!fluke!dms From: dms@fluke.UUCP Newsgroups: net.audio,net.analog Subject: Re: need interconnect cable recommendations... Message-ID: <1738@vax3.fluke.UUCP> Date: Mon, 14-Jul-86 14:30:33 EDT Article-I.D.: vax3.1738 Posted: Mon Jul 14 14:30:33 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 16-Jul-86 07:57:13 EDT References: <2107@orca.UUCP> Distribution: na Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA Lines: 74 Xref: utcs junk:1366 net.analog:949 The thing that matters a whole lot more than so-called "oxygen-free" copper when it comes to shielded audio cables is the coverage factor of the shielding. The main problem with cheap shielded cable is that the braid is pretty sparse and may only cover half of the area. The more dense the braid is, the better it keeps out interference. The frequency of the interference is also important, but with audio cables you're usually trying to keep out everything from power line frequency to hundreds of megahertz, so you need dense coverage. No braid can give complete 100% coverage. Foil-covered wire gives the best shielding, but is not as flexible. If low capacitance is critical to you, scope probe wire would be excellent (probably overkill on all regards, but I notice the request for info came from Tektronix). I don't know how oxygen-free "oxygen-free" interconnect cables are but I'd be curious to know the oxygen content in ppm for standard anealed copper versus that of the fancy stuff. It's true that grungy connections have been known to form copper-oxide rectifiers unintentionally and rectify large rf signals (e.g. you live under an a.m. transmitting tower) giving you continous radio music no matter what you're listening to. If you're afraid of copper-oxide discontinuities in your wire you could use silver wire (silver-plated wire is readily available for r.f. work) which is lower resistance than copper, with the added benefit that silver does not oxidize as easily as copper, but when it does, its oxide is electrically conductive. Regarding the alleged high oxygen content of normal wire: When copper ore (sulfides and carbonates generally) is refined, the first step is "roasting" which is heating the ore in an oxidizing atmosphere (air) this burns the sulfer out of the sulfides, converting them copper oxide, and creating the sulfer dioxide emissions smelters are famous for. This step also burns out most arsenic, selenium, tellurium and some of the lead which are generally present in copper ores. Then the oxidized ore is heated with flux in a reducing atmosphere where the oxygen combines with carbon in the fuel leaving metalic copper, and the nonmetalic residue dissolves in the flux becoming the slag. This step is the reason why smelters and refineries, especially in the old days, frequently have the words "reduction company" in their name. An ancient but still used part of the last operation is to insert a large wooden pole (tree-trunk) into the melt towards the end of the operation. Much of the remaining oxygen combines rather spectacularly with the carbon of the log, purifying the copper a little more. Then the molten copper is poured into molds, and as it cools, oxygen comes out of solution since solid copper cannot hold as much oxygen as liquid copper. The oxygen erupts from the surface giving these raw ingots the name "blister copper". If you made you're wire from this (which 100 years ago you probably would have) you might have problems. All copper used for electrical conductors is electrolytically refined now days. In this operation the blister copper is used as one electrode in an electrolytic cell. The electrolyte is mostly sulfuric acid and copper sulfate. The copper is electolytically transferred from the raw blister copper to a thin sheet of pure copper which it builds up on. Gasses and insoluble solids are not transfered to the pure copper, and the electrolyte is designed so than non-copper metals fall to the bottom of the tank as a sludge or remain dissolved in the electrolyte. The silver and gold which are usually present in copper ores are reclaimed from the sludge. Somebody could probably advertise audio cables made from "100% pure electrolytically refined copper", add a paragraph or two of techno-mumbo and sell them as well as oygen-free copper. Now MY interconnects, on the other hand, were personally blessed by the Pope in Saint Peter's Square on the Feast of the Ascension. Ave Maria! The clarity of the highs, the richness of the bass! The superb definition of every sweet note in between! I hear subtleties in music that I never knew were there! I finally have come home my Mother Church after so many years astray. Oh, you should have seen what the Baptists did to my power amp, and with the power on, no less. It is too horrible to imagine. ---David David Sherman decvax\ John Fluke Mfg Co. ihnp4 >!uw-beaver\ PO Box C9090 MS 275G allegra >!fluke!dms Everett, WA 98206 USA ucbvax >!lbl-csam / (206) 356-6373 hplabs/ =====An audiophile is what I use to sharpen the needle on my record player.=====