Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mtx5a.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtune!mtunf!mtx5c!mtx5d!mtx5a!mat From: mat@mtx5a.UUCP (m.terribile) Newsgroups: net.singles,net.med,net.bio Subject: Re: Re: why not incest? Message-ID: <1440@mtx5a.UUCP> Date: Mon, 28-Jul-86 03:18:31 EDT Article-I.D.: mtx5a.1440 Posted: Mon Jul 28 03:18:31 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 30-Jul-86 03:07:08 EDT References: <100@tekirl.UUCP> <912@hou2g.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Middletown, NJ 07748-4801. Lines: 44 Xref: watmath net.singles:14821 net.med:4301 net.bio:634 > > > Specifically, in the case of father/daughter incest, the effect of mating with > > her father can be profoundingly devastating to the daughter. I'm not an > > authority by any means. Let's hear from some of the mental health > > professionals. > > Well, I'm not a professional, but it seems to me any "devastating effect" > is due solely to the social stigma we heap on the subject. It's WRONG > WRONG you're BAD BAD don't tell ANYONE etc. I can't imagine these effects > were felt by "cavepeople" (no flames, I'm not an anthropologist either). > > Scott Studies have shown that among wolves, there is an ``incest taboo'': animals that are raised as siblings do not become interested in each other sexually. They, at least, have a something in the ``family'' bonding that is incompatible with sexual activity. It would appear that we are capable of stronger family bonds -- both sibling and sexual -- than they are. It seems that there may be something in the way we are built that makes these two incompatible. It also seems likely that there is also an incompatibility between parent/child relationships and sexual relationships. Not that there isn't an element of sex in everything -- oedipal feelings at one stage are normal -- but that the drives have to coalesce into their adult forms without spilling over too much into other places. And they get all tangled and misdirected when deep prohibitions like those that normally prevent sibling and parent/child incest are deliberately violated. Also, we humans *do* connect sex with other feelings. Consider all of the time that we've spent on .singles with talking about how *closeness* is what sex is about, and not just the sex drive. That kind of intimacy requires relationships with different power/approval structures than the parent-child relationship ... The existance of rules does not require that society be messed up ... -- from Mole End Mark Terribile (scrape .. dig ) mtx5b!mat (Please mail to mtx5b!mat, NOT mtx5a! mat, or to mtx5a!mtx5b!mat) (mtx5b!mole-end!mat will also reach me) ,.. .,, ,,, ..,***_*.