Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!seismo!mcvax!enea!zyx!tb From: tb@zyx.UUCP Newsgroups: net.crypt Subject: Initial permutation in DES Message-ID: <167@zyx.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-Jul-86 20:55:28 EDT Article-I.D.: zyx.167 Posted: Wed Jul 16 20:55:28 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 18-Jul-86 06:25:27 EDT Reply-To: tb@zyx.UUCP (Tommy Bohlin) Organization: ZYX AB, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 24 I have implemented the DES algorithm on several computers, both in C and in assembler for my own use and for the use of my company. I have been wondering about a couple of things. First, the key used by DES is 56 bits long. Is there some form of standard for how to send the key, so two different implementations can be compatible. I.e. do you send the key as 8 7-bit characters, 7 8-bit bytes or what ? Would you use parity bits in the key as a simple form of checksum ? Secondly, the DES algorithm strikes me as a bit odd. As far as I can see the initial and final permutations serve no purpose at all. They certainly don't seem to contribute to the cryptographic strength of DES. Does anybody know why they were included in the algorithm ? (Other than to make life sour for people that are trying to make fast software implementations :-) --- Tommy Bohlin ...mcvax!enea!zyx!tb ZYX Research AB, Stockholm, Sweden.