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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
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Subject: Re: New Chernobyl figures
Message-ID: <884@kontron.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 7-Jul-86 12:56:00 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jul  7 12:56:00 1986
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> In article <875@kontron.UUCP> cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> 
> <Hunter-gatherer societies are also notable for the poor quality of health,
> <short lifespans, and a social position for women that would make the worst
> <repression of the 1950s seem pretty liberated.
> 
> How do you know that all hunter-gatherer societies had low social positions for
> women?  There seems to be a lot of evidence that many ancient tribes were
> matriarchies.  And how do you know what kind of health they enjoyed when
> the environment could still support a hunter-gatherer economy?  
> 

I didn't say "all" hunter-gatherer societies.  But just about all American
Indian cultures fit into this category of sexual oppression.  (And that's
the example you were citing.)

As for what kind of health they enjoyed:  You are incredibly ignorant
if you think the health problems were a function of how well they could
support a hunter-gatherer economy.  I'm really disturbed at how incredibly
ignorant the "Let's all live with nature" sorts are about the health
advances made just in the last two centuries.  C-sections are a RECENT
development.  There are NO primitive cultures that had a solution to this
problem.  Breech delivery?  Mother dies.  Frequently the child dies.  
C-section is just ONE example, one near and dear to me because my wife
had to have a C-section for our daughter.  In a primitive culture, she
would have died, slowly and in agony.

Use your heads a little bit before you start idolizing primitive living.

> <The Indians also didn't pay taxes.
> 
> One more argument in favor of abandoning our present lifestyle...
> 
> <Clayton E. Cramer
> 
> Charlotte Allen

No, one more argument in favor of abandoning government.

Clayton E. Cramer