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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
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Subject: Re: Firearms ownership
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Date: Mon, 14-Jul-86 14:40:16 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jul 14 14:40:16 1986
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> In article <3623@ut-ngp.UUCP>, boyter@ut-ngp.UUCP (Cpt Brian Boyter) writes:
> 
> > A couple of weeks ago, a guy was attacked by 5 armed youths in NYC...
> > He was lucky because he is a private detective and was able to kill his
> > attackers because he HAD A HANDGUN....   If it had been you or I,
> > we would be dead because NYC has the marvelous Sullivan laws which
> > prevent honest citizens from having weapons even in there home...
> 
> It is not illegal to have a weapon (handgun, rifle, or shotgun)
> in your home in New York City.  A handgun permit costs $100 (I
> believe this is an annual cost), plus a $28 state police processing
> fee.  The processing time is several months.  You also have to make
> a special trip to an office in Manhattan to apply.
> 

> Rifle and shotgun permits are less difficult to get, as I understand
> it.  I was told that when I get a handgun permit, I could go to any
> police station and get a rifle/shotgun permit on the spot.
> 
> There are also provisions for guns permits for businesses and
> to carry a weapon.  The paperwork is more complex for these cases.
> 
> -- "The Model Citizen" Mike^Z
>    Zaleski@Rutgers   [ allegra, ihnp4 ] phoenix!mzal

I read a couple years ago that New York City had less than 10,000
permits to own handguns.  Permits are granted on a "need" basis, and
few people are considered to have a need for a handgun.  I've also
read there are lawyers in New York City specialized JUST in getting
ownership/concealed carry permits after being turned down initially.

The Knapp Commission found back in the 1970s, when they were looking
into police corruption that over half the concealed carry permits
were issued as a result of bribery.

Finally, after Bernhard Goetz was mugged for the first time, he 
applied for a permit.  He was turned down.  I don't think you really
know what the situation in NYC really is.

Clayton E. Cramer