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From: jcollas@ll-xn.ARPA (Juan Collas)
Newsgroups: net.followup
Subject: Re: FYI: VM systems on the net
Message-ID: <416@ll-xn.ARPA>
Date: Tue, 15-Jul-86 13:19:53 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jul 15 13:19:53 1986
Date-Received: Wed, 16-Jul-86 05:26:35 EDT
References: <6340MW9@PSUVM> <-121460420@sysvis>
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
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Summary: IBM and the rest of the world.

>In article <6340MW9@PSUVM>, Michael Weiss commands:
>> I would just like to take this opportunity to inform people that there are
>> VM systems on the net now.  We've been on for awhile and would now like to
>> be considered in discussions.  UN*X doesn't rule the world.  In fact, it
>> sucks.  (Sorry, that was a flame and there is no more net.flame, boo hoo.)
>> Ok, when posting sources think about us vm folks.  And you vm folks, how
>> about posting some relevant stuff!

Geez.  What an monarchical tone to your message!

In article <-121460420@sysvis>, george@sysvis.UUCP rebuts:
>I heard that VM stands for Visceral Maggots.  True?  It's uncommon for an
>"OS" to SUCK down about 40% of the total available machine cycles for overhead,
>as does VM.  That's why it wasn't tagged with an `OS' label, I'm sure.

VM is a little different than your usual operating system.

What it does extremely well is provide a user with what appears to be
a standalone IBM/370.  This means that systems people can do kernel
development while other people are using the system.  No need to wait
around until your average late-night hackers have gone to bed.  It also
means that VM can run several different OS's simultaneously.  OS's like
UNIX, for example.

It might be better to think of it as a "meta-" operating system.

>                          IBM didn't have an official `C' compiler as of some
> time ago so what are you going to do with sources that won't compile, and if
> they did, the I/O is handled totally differently?   Batch is bitch, Butch.
> Try net.jokes instead of net.sources for your jollies.  If VM is so great, why
> aren't all the "good" microcomputers  [IBM/AT (-:]  using it?
> 
>     "VM is to operating environments as barnacles are to ships."  -me

Funny.  I believe that Waterloo, Bell Labs (ATTIS), SAS Institute, Oracle
all sell C Compilers for the IBM/370.  Most stuff can port between UNIX
and CMS.  (Most, not all).

	Juan Collas, MIT Lincoln Laboratory

PS: Maybe the two of you could take the insults off-line or something.