Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!seismo!caip!unirot!dtt From: dtt@unirot.UUCP Newsgroups: net.micro.mac Subject: Running in place Message-ID: <867@unirot.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-Jul-86 14:48:41 EDT Article-I.D.: unirot.867 Posted: Wed Jul 16 14:48:41 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 16-Jul-86 22:44:19 EDT Reply-To: dtt@unirot.UUCP (David Temkin) Organization: Public Access Un*x, Piscataway NJ (The Soup Kitchen) Lines: 36 Keywords: Reinventing the wheel It's been three years and six months since Apple first showed the Lisa. Just to remind everyone, it was a machine much like the Mac, except that it had a 12" screen, 1 meg of memory, slots, and an operating system which allowed multiple applicatins to be visible on the screen at once (in their own windows) while keeping the desktop visible at all times. Each application was, in effect, a "multi-document" application, because multiple windows on the same application were allowed. Clicking in a different application's window (or a desktop window) changed the menu bar appropriately. The filesystem was a hierarchical one. Full cutting and pasting between applications was supported (and there was no need to quit an application to paste something into another application, because they could both be on the screen at once). It came with a hard disk drive and two floppies, each holding about 800K. Development was done in Clascal, Apple's object-oriented version of Pascal. The machine even ran Unix as an option. Now, after herculean investments of time, effort, and money on the part of Apple, the developer community, and the user community, it appears that we haven't moved forward much at all. The up-and coming Mac (likely to be a few months away), will probably have 1 Meg of memory, a 12" screen, slots, Andy Hertzfeld's Servant (a new desktop manager), HFS, and MacApp (Apple's new commercial object-oriented Pascal) for development, and a Unix option. It should also have 2 800K floppies and a hard disk drive. This machine bears more than a superficial resemblance to the original Lisa of January 1983. Sure, it costs less, and there are more applications available, but its basic characteristics don't show the 3 1/2 years that have passed since the Lisa's introduction. One would expect that it would have taken far less time to deliver an affordable system that employs (almost exculsively) established Lisa techonology. Any comments? - David Temkin ...caip!unirot!dtt or ...caip!topaz!unipress!dt