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From: tp@ndm20.uucp
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Subject: Re: News, Notes, and Reality
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Date: Fri, 18-Jul-86 07:01:00 EDT
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Posted: Fri Jul 18 07:01:00 1986
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Nf-From: ndm20.uucp!tp    Jul 18 06:01:00 1986


Guy, 

I  just  got  mail  from  Ray Essick.   The  fix you  posted has been
installed in notes 1.7 for quite some time.   It  correctly fixes the
problem for articles that come in from news.   It  does not, however,
fix the problem in the case that a notes site replies to  a note that
does  not  have  a  base  note  (the case  in which  notes still does
generate and orphaned response base note).   Since this  was the case
when I posted my infamous article saying  the problem  was fixed, the
title of my notes was Re:  Orphaned Response.  So I  guess the result
is that the problem is partially fixed.   The  only complete solution
would require  the notes  database to  store the  basenote title with
every response.  This, of course,  would be  an incompatible version.
Note that Walter Underwood (of HP) is  working on  such a  beast.  It
apparently saves ALL news header lines, and  actually transfers files
in and out of the notes site in B news format.  This should alleviate
the problem once and for all.  It will actually  allow a  site to run
notes without a gateway, and not make "inappropriate"  changes to the
articles.    This  seems to  solve all  the objections  (but one, see
below) to notes that  I have  heard.   A notes  site will  be able to
operate  transparently  in  a  news  environment (C  news formats are
compatible, right?).

At this point I'd say it is best  to just  drop the  subject and wait
for the new version.  

The one problem that I haven't heard of a solution for yet is the one
of new notes sites sending  old data  back out.   It  seems like that
should be easy to fix.  Maybe Walter Underwood's version  will have a
fix for it.

Terry Poot
Nathan D. Maier Consulting Engineers
(214)739-4741
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