Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbatt!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!whuxl!whuts!orb From: orb@whuts.UUCP (SEVENER) Newsgroups: net.women,net.sci,net.politics Subject: Libertarianism, Objectivism and Liberty Message-ID: <860@whuts.UUCP> Date: Mon, 14-Jul-86 09:03:20 EDT Article-I.D.: whuts.860 Posted: Mon Jul 14 09:03:20 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 15-Jul-86 06:04:06 EDT References: <1970@brl-smoke.ARPA> <320@rtech.UUCP> <2064@brl-smoke.ARPA> <627@mhuxr.UUCP> <2165@brl-smoke.ARPA> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 18 Xref: watmath net.women:11303 net.sci:1244 net.politics:17354 > > The truth is, however, that Libertarianism deserves only one > fundamental criticism: *it does not value liberty*. > > The article goes on to defend this statement and does a superb job of > demolishing Libertarianism's pretensions to being a proponent of liberty. I think we have already seen that both Libertarians and Objectivists do not really value *liberty* when we consider their opposition to citizens rights to free speech at public shopping malls. When it comes to a conflict between *individuals* basic civil liberties and the rights of property, many of both schools show their true colors by defending the rights of property. Which hardly demonstrates a valueing of anything other than greed and selfishness. This should hardly be news when one of Ayn Rand's major works is titled "The Virtue of Selfishness". tim sevener whuxn!orb