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From: tan@ihlpg.UUCP (Bill Tanenbaum)
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Subject: Re: Libertarianism, Objectivism and Liberty
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Date: Wed, 16-Jul-86 13:27:19 EDT
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> > [Tim Sevener]
> > I think we have already seen that both Libertarians and Objectivists
> > do not really value *liberty* when we consider their opposition to
> > citizens rights to free speech at public shopping malls.
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> [Andrew Koenig]
> Yes, we know you do.  You've said it many times.  And you're still wrong.
> 
> I have never seen such a thing as a *public* shopping mall.
> Shopping malls are *private* places.  There is simply no
> difference between the rights I have in a shopping mall and
> rights I have when you have invited me into your home.
> If I say something in your home that you don't like, you have
> every right to kick me out.  If I say something in a mall that
> the owner doesn't like, the owner has every right to kick me out.
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You should know better than to expect Tim Sevener to ever retain any fact
that doesn't fit into his grand world view.
	Nevertheless, the fact that the mall may be  private property does
not make it the equivalent of a private home.  I have the right to choose
who enters my home (with a few exceptions, such as police with valid
warrants).  I do not have the same right to bar people from my hardware store.
For example, I cannot eject you from my store because I don't like your race
or religion.  I CAN do this in my home.
	Absolute property rights, as apparently advocated by Andrew Koenig,
are not the law of the land.  Personally, I find the concept offensive.
Do you remember the segregated facilities of the 1950s and early 1960s,
Andrew?  Do you care?  Or have I misunderstood you?
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Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL  ihnp4!ihlpg!tan