Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!caip!ll-xn!cit-vax!amdahl!bnrmtv!timlee From: timlee@bnrmtv.UUCP (Timothy Lee) Newsgroups: net.women,net.sci Subject: Re: Re: Re: Why are there so few [female|black] physicists? Message-ID: <473@bnrmtv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-Jul-86 12:05:19 EDT Article-I.D.: bnrmtv.473 Posted: Wed Jul 16 12:05:19 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 18-Jul-86 02:18:05 EDT References: <1970@brl-smoke.ARPA> <320@rtech.UUCP> Organization: Bell Northern Research, Mtn. View, CA Lines: 18 Xref: watmath net.women:11373 net.sci:1276 > Or how about *complain* about not getting a chance, as opposed to actu- > ally getting a chance? There's a wide enough middle group and gray area > of talent that it really doesn't matter *who* gets selected from it, from > the point of view, say, of university admissions and resulting overall > quality. There's a myth that everyone can be ranked by SAT scores or the > like, and one just takes the top XXX, and that way one is "fair". Frank- > ly, considering that SAT scores have a +/- 50(?) accuracy attached, and a > strong positive correlation to family income , there is no basis for even ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ > choosing among the middle by *any* objective "fair" means. So what's wrong > with being generous to minorities in the process? It's not as if quality > is going to drop or anything, Ayn Rand notwithstanding. > > ucbvax!brahms!weemba Matthew P Wiener/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720 This (^^'ed part) would be a argument for being generous to students from lower income families. The assumption that "minority" == "lower income" is not always correct.