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From: jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman)
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Subject: Re: Why are there so few [female|black] physicists?
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Date: Sat, 19-Jul-86 22:24:39 EDT
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> 
> In article <502@midas.UUCP> jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) writes:
>>All very righteous and high-minded, but would you really feel just as
>>insulted if you were given a chance you didn't deserve as you would if
>>you were denied a chance you deserved? I sure wouldn't, and I would be
>>very skeptical of anyone else saying they would.
> 
>    Would you?  I sure as hell wouldn't take a job that I wasn't qualified
> for.  You can't fool people for long if you're ignorant, and all you'll
> end up doing is making yourself look stupid.  Since this is a "why aren't
> there many (minority) so-and-so's" discussion, if you are a minority and
> you take a job that you are unqualified for, you not only make yourself
> look bad, you make your race look bad.  You get the old "see, I told you
> that we shouldn't have hired that (place your favorite minority here)! "
> -- 
> Dan Green    ARPA:    hsgj%vax2.ccs.cornell.edu@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu

I don't think Jeff Winslow was talking about qualifications.  Here's an
example that might clarify things.  Suppose two people, A and B, are up
for the same job.  They are equally qualified.  A has been working for the
company for 10 years, B for 1 year.  B gets the job.  Rightfully, A deserves
the job because of seniority (remember, they are equally qualified).  A is
pissed.  B is surprised, but not pissed.  Oh, by the way, B is a white male,
and A is a black female.
-- 
Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.)
"Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..."

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