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From: mfs@mhuxr.UUCP (Damballah Wedo)
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Subject: Re: Why are there so few [female|black] physicists?
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Date: Sun, 27-Jul-86 11:34:14 EDT
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> > Jeff Winslow:
> > Discrimination against takes
> >the form of "I'm not going to hire any lazy niggers". Discrimination for
> >takes the form of "I'm going to give these people the benefit of the
> >doubt".
> >
> Sarima (Stanley Friesen):
>         There is a second kind of discrimination for that says "I
> don't want ot hire any lazy niggers, but the government says I got
> to". It is *this* that is being promoted by Affirmative Action, it
> would take a quite different approach to get the "benifit of the doubt"
> scenario you mentioned. To get that you must get the employer to
> cooperate voluntarily, because he sees it as a good thing.

Yes, that is the crux of the question. The AA reasoning says that if
you have to hire them, and you have to consider them promotion,
and since normal statistical distribution predicts that some of them wil
be quite good, that they will make their way up the ladder. The point
is to prevent the mechanisms blocking their access to the first rungs.
This is accomplished by making the emloyer show why he is unable to find
qualified people. 

Do opponents of AA have any alternative proposal that does not permit
employers to mouth off platitudes while discriminating against women
and minorities?
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