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From: cheryl@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU (cheryl)
Newsgroups: net.women,net.sci
Subject: Re: Why are there so few [female|black] physicists?
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Date: Mon, 28-Jul-86 15:00:07 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jul 28 15:00:07 1986
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In article <526@bnrmtv.UUCP> timlee@bnrmtv.UUCP (Timothy Lee) writes:
>> Well, then, be skeptical of me.  I was severlly insulted by the employment
>> divisions of two companys that offered me high paying jobs that had nothing
>> that they needed done, that simply took advantage of the fact that I was a
>> double minority and formerly a student without taxable income (some states
>> with employment drives give Big tax breaks for hiring someone that was
>> formerly unemployed or employed below a subsitance level).  If I had taken
>> those jobs I would have had saved them more money and fulfilled enough
>> Quotas to make it worth their while to hire me and not have me to anything.
>> The assumption that I resented was that I *would* do nothing.  And, being
>> above all an arrogant Techer, that angered me enough after a cursory
>> questioning of my supposed soon-to-be boss to say to the face of the
>> employment manager that I was not going to take their job and why.

>Similar situations happen in colleges and universities.  The emphasis nowadays
>is on `enrollment and retention', a euphamism for admitting as many targeted-
>group students as possible, then making sure that they stay as long as
>possible.  This means discouraging them from taking difficult courses or
>majors (so they don't flunk out) and getting them to take a lesser number of
>courses per semester/quarter (so they graduate in 5 or 6 instead of the
>usual 4 years;  such a 5 year student counts 5/4 as much as a 4 year student
>in figuring quotas).  

You're talking about the children of the rich and famous right?  You 
mean like kids with last names like "Rockefeller" and "Watson" right?

I won't even start on what's been going on with James D. Watson's
son at Prep school -- one that he wouldn't have gotten into without
Dr. Daddy's big name.  All I have to say is that it serves the guy
right to have his son screw up so badly after what he did to 
Rosie Franklin.   There is justice after all.

>The result is that the really well qualified student
>who would have gotten in and succeeded anyway to feel inferior because of
>his/her race/sex.  The presence of a large number of `quota admits' lowers
>the college community's perception of the student's race/sex, thus causing
>others to see him/her less favorably than a student from a non-targeted
>group.  

Let's throw in socioeconomic status and let the word "race" mean WHITE
and "sex" mean MALE.  Honey, I've seen some *DUMB* WHITE BOYS around the
IVYS, I mean DUMB.  And the reason they need that OLD BOY SHIT is that
they need daddy daddy and uncle so-and-so around to make them look good,
and to power-muscle other people away who would make their darling
WHITE BOY look bad.  

Says one woman to another at the polo arena:

"He has no right to look so dumb.  He's not *that* rich!"

>Those who are the actual `quota admits' would face the same prejudice,
>but also would likely receive an education of marginal value (the easiest
>major and course selection).

Spoken like a true white boy.


Cheryl