Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site amdcad.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!amdcad!linda From: linda@amdcad.UUCP (Linda Seltzer) Newsgroups: net.women,net.sci Subject: Re: Why are there so few [female|black] physicists? Message-ID: <12515@amdcad.UUCP> Date: Tue, 29-Jul-86 21:35:10 EDT Article-I.D.: amdcad.12515 Posted: Tue Jul 29 21:35:10 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Aug-86 07:33:20 EDT References: <1970@brl-smoke.ARPA> <320@rtech.UUCP> <2064@brl-smoke.ARPA> <315@uw-vlsi.ARPA> Organization: AMDCAD, Sunnyvale, CA Lines: 27 Xref: watmath net.women:11687 net.sci:1396 Summary: success at Caltech When I was in the M.S. program at Caltech I found that one group of men had formed a clique and never talked to me or to the other American woman in our class. At first I thought it was male chauvinism. Then as the year went on I got the picture. We had take-home tests in which we were supposed to stop and draw a line under our work after the first hour. I did this, and I was not exactly getting straight A's for it. However, these men were consistently coming in with graphs neatly drawn with a ruler, and work which I doubt could have been done in one hour (or alone). I very strongly suspected that these men's cliquishness existed in order to hide violations of the Caltech honor system. In fact, two other men had telephoned me during a take-home final to ask me for information, and I had to report to the professor that an incident of cheating had occurred (luckily I did not have to report the names, I think the professor could tell who it was). In the first class I mentioned, I mentioned to the professor that I thought some of the papers couldn't have been completed in an hour, but he didn't take the matter seriously enough to try to investigate it. In classes without take-home exams, I found that the men were not getting better grades. I have later run into professional situations in which, at first, I thought I was being excluded because of being female, but later, I found out that the group of men was engaging in unehtical, if not dishonest, behavior. One woman I know was accepted into such a group after she did several things to show that she was one of them and could act as just as badly. Unfortunately, she believed she was being "sophisticated" and businesslike.