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Subject: Re: privatization of education:re to Cramer
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> 
> You assume that only the government, in its beneficience, would educate
> a person coming from such a background.  This is hardly the case.  There
> have ALWAYS been organizations offering scholarships based on need --
> but most of them wanted evidence of educational potential (hence the
> term, "scholarship").  This all changed in the 1970s, when for a while
> the only issue that mattered was race.
> 
> 
> Clayton E. Cramer ("You are damn right I'm upset.")

This is total nonsense.  In the first place, despite scholarships
many, many people from lower middle class to poor backgrounds simply
could not afford to go to college before the expansion of the student
loan program and other aids for *all* to go to college.
Because of these programs the percentage of youth obtaining college
degrees doubled.
Nor was "race the only issue that mattered" in qualifying for such aid.
The only issue that mattered for the student loan program (without
which I could not have gone to college) was income level.  The student
loan program, Basic Educational Opportunity Grants and work-study
assistance were all programs *totally* based upon income and had nothing
to do with race.  These programs made up the bulk of student aid
when I went to college in the 70's.
There were other programs targetted towards increasing minority attendance
in colleges but many of these were primarily concerned with recruiting
minorities to attend college in the first place and using economically
based programs such as student loans, BEOG's, Pell Grants, and work-study
programs to insure that such recruited minorities could afford to go
to college.  Here are the actual figures of educational expenditures
for post-secondary education in 1984:
 
        Educational opportunity grants:  3,561,209
        Work study                    :    561,322
        Direct student loans          :    191,962
        Guaranteed student loans      :  3,130,939
        Other student assistance      :     32,969
       --------------------------------------------
        Total student assistance      :  7,478,401
 
Where is all the "race-based" student assistance Clayton claims exists?
I see scarcely any.  To my knowledge the only category which is
not economically-based may be "other student assistance" - which
represents less than 1% of all student financial aid.
 
Oh, but I forgot:
 
"Why should I worry about *facts* when I have such marvelous
 *opinions*!!"
                    tim sevener  whuxn!orb