Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!mnetor!seismo!mcvax!ukc!kcl-cs!glasgow!taylor From: taylor@glasgow.glasgow.UUCP (Jem Taylor) Newsgroups: net.physics,net.sci,net.philosophy,net.sf-lovers Subject: Re: A Sane Man Proposes A Time Travel Experiment Message-ID: <671@glasgow.glasgow.UUCP> Date: Tue, 5-Aug-86 10:18:00 EDT Article-I.D.: glasgow.671 Posted: Tue Aug 5 10:18:00 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 8-Aug-86 04:49:44 EDT References: <289@axiom.UUCP> <5723@lanl.ARPA> <7489@tekecs.UUCP> <83@unc.unc.UUCP> <451@nike.UUCP> Reply-To: taylor@glasgow.UUCP (Jem Taylor) Organization: Comp Sci Dept, Glasgow Univ, Scotland Lines: 50 Xref: lsuc net.physics:2697 net.sci:1191 net.philosophy:1426 net.sf-lovers:8382 In article <451@nike.UUCP> kaufman@orion.UUCP (Bill Kaufman) writes: >In article <7489@tekecs.UUCP> mikes@tekecs.UUCP (Michael Sellers) writes: >> As a collateral question (and possibly too speculative for these august >>groups :-), if you were the one capable of sending something back, what (or >>who) would it be? > >A nuclear bomb. Something that would, by "appearing" in that time, >materialize in my grandfather. A computer & manual, destined for T.A. Edison >in Menlo Park, NJ. The plans for "Opertion: Overlord" to die F^uhrer's >office (excuse the attempt at an umlaut) in Berlin. >In general, anything that would cause an identifiable, unavoidable mistake >in time. Great way to verify whether we live in a "parallel" universe, or >a "serial" one (cf. "Thrice Upon a Time," by (James P.?) Hogan). > But, but, but if we do live in a parallel universes (sic), then you wouldn't notice any difference _in_this_parallel_ since this one is the one where the transmission into the past, failed. If there was a difference, it would be in a different parrallel universe, by definition. So 1) Time travel BACKWARDS into THIS PARALLEL doesn't work If the universe isn't parallels (sic again), no-one would notice the change because it would always have been that way. Ursula Le Guin wrote an excellent book - 'The Lathe of Heaven' ? - which treats this problem, in the context of some-one who can dream reality different. When he wakes up, everyone else has already forgotten the 'real' past, and remembered the 'new' past which is consistent with the new present. Our hero almost goes crazy ... So 2) Time travel DOES WORK but NO-ONE EVER NOTICES ... -Jem. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JANET: ' , ' , ' taylor@uk.ac.glasgow.cs ' ___ , ' USENET: , / | \ , { uk }!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!taylor ' -o| Royal Mail: , ' (J=) ' , J.A.Taylor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Computer Science <>< 17 Lilybank Gardens ><> Jemima GB-GLASGOW G12 8QQ ><> Puddleduck "who says it doesn't rain on the west coast ?"