Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!decwrl!ucbvax!ucbcad!nike!think!mit-eddie!Love-Hounds-Post From: Love-Hounds-Post@mit-eddie.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest (Issue L13) Message-ID: <2732@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 31-Jul-86 08:38:00 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.2732 Posted: Thu Jul 31 08:38:00 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Aug-86 02:39:20 EDT Sender: nessus@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Organization: M.I.T. EE/CS Computer Facility, Cambridge MA Lines: 917 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Issue L13 Topics: * PARTY TIME... [2 articles] * What me worry? * KiTnKaBoodle * "The Dreaming" CD [2 articles] * T-shirts * Another year older, another year wiser * The Twelve Days of Katemas * PG rumour * Random KT KommenTs * Deeper, deeper... * Sonic Fucking Youth * Whats new in HINRG? * K-T-shirts; KriTique of _Lionheart_ pressing. * Who wants "to keep the shirt away..."? Not IED * Re: Sonic Fucking Youth * wKAing ThE witch: Yeah, but not THAT kind of awakening * If and when someone does make a t-shirt, count me in for a large * So on July 30th God said, "Let there be Kate." * PG's childhood... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 13:02:18 EDT From: bu-cs!sam (Shelli Meyers) Subject: PARTY TIME... Oh goodie, I love a party. Just as long as it isn't on August 16th and just as long as it isn't at my house :-) I vote for Doug's. We need to piss off the little old lady upstairs who says his TV is too loud. And by the way... I know somebody at a T-Shirt place in Allston. If we could get, say 30 orders, they offer a good discount. Post it to net.music...maybe there are some KB fans that are there but are not yet *here*... - Shelli [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 07:49:37 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Re: PARTY TIME... > [Shelli Meyers:] Oh goodie, I love a party. Just as long as it > isn't on August 16th and just as long as it isn't at my house :-) > I vote for Doug's. We need to piss off the little old lady upstairs > who says his TV is too loud. Women! They won't talk to you, but they'll volunteer parties at *your* place! Sigh. In any case, sure, I'll throw a party on Saturday, August 9th, 4:00 pm. I'll provide the appartment, booze, munchies, videos, and stereo. Bring your own drugs and coma-sutra oil. Don't expect my appartment to be a luxury condo. (I almost got the bargain luxury condo, but the people right before me took it! Sob! Sob!) It's more like a little student slum. Don't look in the bath tub. If anyone wants to help out (especially people who volunteer parties at other people's appartments), please tell me. RSVP si tu plais, and I'll tell you how to get to my appartment in *beautiful* Cambridge. Please include a phone number. To all those who want to taunt the little old lady upstairs, she's really a middle-aged lady downstairs who moved out. (Awwww!) -Doug "After the party..." Nessus@Eddie.MIT.EDU {allegra,seismo,decvax!genrad}!mit-eddie!nessus [][][][][][][][][][] From: The Grand Pu-Bah Subject: What me worry? I would like to take this opportunity to remind Chris Valas that he can skip over articles he doesn't want to read and shouldn't feel it necessary to be obnoxious to people who are obsessed by things that don't interest him. I would also like to remind Andrew Marvick that he shouldn't try to discourage other people from discussing non-KB related topics. Discussion of any interesting music or art is encouraged. The charter of this maling list was something like "A forum for Kate Bush fans to discuss her music and any other artistic music or art." Both IED and cv should keep this in mind. -Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 27 Jul 86 13:41 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: KiTnKaBoodle Response to: marvicK To the rescue! >After an extensive listening to the CD with LH moderator Doug Alan, >we conclude that the exchange is not "What's that?" but rather . >"What is it?" And yes, it's there... Absolutely right, it's "What is it?" Thanks. Glad to hear you hear it the way IED does, he was beginning to doubt it himself. >On another point, Doug brought up something about "Waking the Witch". >Does Katie-kins say "Help me, baby, talk to me, listen to me, tell >them baby" or "Help me, baby, talk to me, listen to me come, baby"? >Doug maintained the word is "come", I maintain it's "tell them". >Comments, anyone? Katie-kins? IED thinks it could be "come, baby" -- but NOT "...listen to me come, baby"!! Just "Listen to me. Come, baby!" The punctuation is crucial -- it's true she's been using some naughty language lately, but only when it was relevant to the song's meaning. As for a Love-Hounds meeting, great, except how to choose a location? You guys are in Cambridge, IED and others are in L.A./Pasadena, others in between. Same problem Break-Through had. Solution for IED was to miss out on the festivities. All weep here. As for t-shirts, the estimate of $6-8 is very low. What kind of design are you talking about? IED thought maybe the front should say something like Love-Hounds {in script} An International Kate Bush {in blocks} Computer Forum And below that the KT logo, or maybe a version of it with some change of our own. But it would be nice to have something else on the back, too, perhaps a quotation from one of the songs, one that would mystify the ignorant rabble, as does the line from "Hounds of Love" on the black sweatshirt. The problem is, wouldn't all this cost much more than $6-8 ? [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 18:39:49 EDT From: Nancy Everson Subject: The Dreaming cd What's this?? Did someone say something about "The Dreaming" cd??? And using the word "when" rather than "if"???? Is it actually going to be available soon? Let me know! On the t-shirt topic, count me in. I don't have any good (or bad, for that matter) ideas for a shirt, but I definitely want one. Unless it's really gross and ugly or something, of course. - Nancy p.s. why has the volume of love-hounds gone down? is everyone on summer vacation? [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 28 Jul 86 14:46:00 PST From: "ROSSI J.A." Subject: T-shirts In response to IED and the $6-$8 cost assessment, I believe that a very reasonable (in terms of design) silk-screened shirt can be done in quantities of about 25 min. at a cost even less than $6-$8. In actuality, the greatest cost is in the actual fabric/construction quality of the shirt itself. The silkscreening process, a one shot deal, can usualy be amortized amazingly cheaply even over a run of 25 shirts. One possibility for lowering the cost on the silkscreening side is to have the work done my handicapped work force groups. My wife has been a director/area co- ordinator for various Mental Retardation groups for about 10 years now. In that time, I remenber her setting up silkscreening operations at some of the facilities she managed. Since the idea in those type situations is an accentuation of people's worth along with small marginal profits, these type groups will often do a low volume run (under 100 shirts) at a cost equivalent to what a real business might impose for a large run item (1000+ shirts). Since we (Love-Hounds) seem united in supporting the 'little guy' this may be a chance to contribute to society as well as our own personal vanaties. As far as complex designs go, the major technical difficulty is in the production of the mask (especially for multi-coloured designs). I personally have friends that are into doing silkscreens and may provide the labor at an attractive rate considering the nature (non-profit) of this venture and especially if we allowed the screening to be done by some handicapped or disabled group. I am definately in favor of the T-shirt concept, however, I also agree that I am against an I heart Kate type of design. I also agree, that the notion of Love-Hounds should appear on the shirt (if for nothing else than an edge against any legal questions concerning the rights to Kate Bush momentos by EMI or whover owns the rights to such things). Then again there is always the permission angle. At any rate, we should find out about such legal ramifications before we actually start production on a shirt. If the shirt was fashioned as A. Marvick suggests, from my limited experience, I think we are in the clear as long as the quote from Kate is, in fact, a quote, and is acknowledged as such (which would, of course, be the whole point anyway). I also like the international angle. As for a group get-together, lets not decide on St. Louis as a compromise location. For that matter, let's not go to the midwest at all. John [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 9:23:42 EDT From: Susanne E Trowbridge Subject: Another year older, another year wiser Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Kate, Happy birthday to you. (By the time my fellow LHs get this, it should be Kate's birthday, so why not throw a party, call your local radio stations and request Kate songs, etc.?) >"Well Well Well..." by the Woodentops is, well, come on, EVERYONE likes >the Woodentops, right? Whoever Animal Jesus is, s/he has found a good >band to produce. Lots of energy, tight playing, etc. BTW, one of the >guest producers on the album is Swami Ananda Nagara. Didn't he produce the >fine "25 O'clock" album by The Dukes of Stratosphear (XTC) ? Or am I being >silly? Must be an Illuminati plot! Actually, Animal J. and Swami A. are both Andy Partridge! If you like "Well Well Well," which is a compi- lation of tracks from the WTs' first four 12" singles (plus a couple of BBC sessions), you MUST check out their album, "Giant." It is most...amazing. Sigh. >"The Drain Train" New Cabaret Voltaire. Kirk and Mallinder up to their >old tricks. I hated "Red Mecca" but liked the direction they took in "Micro- >phonies" and "The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord". I too prefer the funky Cabs, but I think their recordings are getting a touch monotonous. My friend Bill does a great impression of Stephen Mallinder singing an archetypal CabVolt song. Too bad that some things can't be sent over the net... -Sue [][][][][][][][][][] From: jmturn%ringwld.UUCP@CCA.CCA.COM Date: Monday, 28 Jul 1986 21:10-EDT Subject: Re: The Dreaming cd A source in the Netherlands swears up and down that he owns and can purchase more of "The Dreaming". I'm working out a deal where several copies will find their way into American hands, but don't really feel like fronting a group effort, especially at the $30+/CD it's gonna cost. Save Your Vertical Blanking Intervals for Big Cash Prizes! James Turner (The Ringworld Engineer) [][][][][][][][][][] From: cca!ringwld!jmturn Date: Monday, 28 Jul 1986 22:39-EDT Subject: Re: T-shirts Some data on T-shirts from the guy who's doing the SFL shirts: Plain old 1-color-ink-on-Haynes-Beefy-T-no-womens-sizes (OCIOHBTNWS) will run you $4.50 a shot in quantities of 75 or above. Now then... add $1 per shirt to mail it... (yep, it really does cost that much...) Now add another $.50 so you can print extras (and since you have to order in even dozen lots, fill out the order). Sounds like $6 to me... If someone were to deliver a list of names, and $6 per shirt, along with camera ready artwork. T-shirts would be created... Save Your Vertical Blanking Intervals for Big Cash Prizes! James Turner (The Ringworld Engineer) --------------------------------------------------- | ARPA | ringwld!jmturn@CCA-UNIX.ARPA | --------------------------------------------------- | | decvax \ | | | sri-unix \ | | UUCP | !cca!ringwld!jmturn | | | ima / | | | linus / | --------------------------------------------------- | MAIL | 329 Ward Street; Newton, MA 02159 | --------------------------------------------------- (The views expressed in this message have been computer enhanced for your pleasure.) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 05:44:31 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: The Twelve Days of Katemas As you all know, tomorrow, July 30th is that holiest of holidays: Katemas. In fact, it is the 28th Katemas. I hope that you will all join me now in singing a Katemas karol, in celebration of this sacred day... THE TWELVE DAYS OF KATEMAS On the first day of Katemas my true love gave to me a long kiss with a little gold key. On the second day of Katemas my true love gave to me two "Big Sky" picture disks and a long kiss with a little gold key. ... etc. ... On the twelfth day of Katemas my true love gave to me 12 still-suits distilling 11 dancers dancing 10 pipers piping 9 drum machines drumming 8 bongoers bongoing 7 Fairlights sampling 6 digerdooers 'a digerdoodling 5 Leeeeeeeooooooootaaaaarrrrrrrds 4 videos 3 gaffers' tape 2 "Big Sky" picture disks and a long kiss with a little gold key. -Doug "And then one day you find, ten years have got behind you" [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 06:02:07 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: PG rumour Today on WFNX one of the DJ's said that PG's "Red Rain" is dashing up the charts? Has this been released as a single? He also said that Peter recently had to move out of his house, because so many fans were camping out on his front lawn. Does anyone know if this is true? I find it unlikely -- I mean Tears for Fears lives right down the street, and I haven't heard of them having any problems. -Doug "Science, for Vergil, was like an unattainable woman, who suddenly opens her arms to him before he's ready for a mature love -- leaving him afraid he'll forever blow the chance, lose the prize, screw up royally. Apparently, he had." [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 06:13:57 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Random KT KommenTs > [Joe Turner:] After an extensive listening to the CD [of *Hounds of > Love*] with LH moderator Doug Alan, we conclude that the exchange is > not "What's that?" but rather "What is it?" We conclude??? Not that it makes any difference at all, but I hear "What's that?" Regarding "Waking The Witch": > [A. Marvick:] IED thinks it could be "come, baby" -- but NOT > "...listen to me come, baby"!! Just "Listen to me. Come, baby!" The > punctuation is crucial -- it's true she's been using some naughty > language lately, but only when it was relevant to the song's > meaning. Come, come now -- aren't we talking about the same woman who has called "Night of the Swallow", "Nice to Swallow"? Besides the naughty meaning would be completely relevant to the song. The song's about a a dream of going into a church to confess one's sins and getting accused of being a witch. It would make perfect sense in a dream about confessing to get a little extravagent in describing one's sexual sins. > As for t-shirts, the estimate of $6-8 is very low. What kind of > design are you talking about? I thought the original proposal was for a shirt with *The Dreaming* on it. > But it would be nice to have something else on the back, too, > perhaps a quotation from one of the songs, one that would mystify > the ignorant rabble, as does the line from "Hounds of Love" on the > black sweatshirt. *The Dreaming* has on the back cover the perfect quote to put on the back of a Love-Hounds T-Shirt! > [Sue:] Same songs as the Brit 12", but it's in a sturdy cardboard > sleeve instead of the flimsy type UK 12"s come in. (A friend with a > taste for social commentary says that's because the British feel > that pop music is inherently disposable, and what's more disposable > than a single, you'll just want to throw it away anyway. I don't think so. I think they just do it to be consistent. It's a 12" single, so they package them like a big single, rather than like an album, which is how they package them here. They seem to package singles much better in England than in the US, and albums too. But single packaging in England is not as good as album packaging in the US, so 12" singles come out packaged better here. They do usually do, however, a better job of pressing the singles in England, and also they are normally 45 rpm, which is better than 33 rpm. > [James Turner:] A source in the Netherlands swears up and down that > he owns and can purchase more of "The Dreaming". I'm working out a > deal where several copies will find their way into American hands, > but don't really feel like fronting a group effort, especially at > the $30+/CD it's gonna cost. I'll see it when I believe it! -Doug "After all, Vergil had turned his piss blue. They were friends." [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 08:05:35 EDT From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Deeper, deeper... > [IED:] This has nothing to do with the line spoken in German from > the same part of The Ninth Wave: "Tiefer, tiefer, ergendwo in der > Tiefe gibt es ein licht." If you notice, that line, spoken by Gabi > Zangerl, is accompanied by the sounds of a submarine's sonar signal. > It is IED's theory that this is meant to evoke images of U-boat > activity during WWII, and possibly to create the feeling of > claustrophobia that must have existed within the confined spaces of > a submarine which is a big part of the movie "Das Boot". Kate has > several times referred to old war movies as a primary inspiration > for The Ninth Wave. It has always my impression that the submarine sonar sounds indicate that Kate is rescued by a submarine. After all, we have the voice telling us that "somewhere in the depth, there is a light", then we hear submarine sounds, and then Kate is safe on land again. -Doug "What about our relationship, Otto???" "Fuck that!" [][][][][][][][][][] From: wicinski@nrl-cst.arpa Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:32:39 edt Subject: Sonic Fucking Youth first: You do not want to have a party in the last part of August in the Boston/tri-state area. yours truly will be in those parts, and i will be forced in inudate myself upon any festivity you have. Doug's already telling me he will be out of town... Sonic Youth/Government Issue/Gone/some other band/ Complex/July 18th. first band was like forgetable. Gone is living proof that Jimmy Page has secretly joined SST records, and will be replacing Gregg Ginn in Black Flag. Long hair and everything. Government Issue played and sounded like Government Issue. Hofmann swears they're godlike, but he just wants to get in Stabb's pants. Sonic Fucking Youth blew the house away. They were much better than their previous trendy club show, and live up to their name of noise noise and more noise. They did screw up and invite Psychodrama into the show, since some writer wrote that they were trendy. Sonic youth was then inudated with sleazy attacks from them, in typical Psychodrama fashion. *Indigesti from Italy will be at the Complex in August. Rumor has it *that they are an Anna Domino cover band. Can anyone confirm this ?? SquirrelBait/Volcano Suns/ Save your money and don't go see squirrel bait. I was so unimpressed that I was overcome with boredom. I would have fallen asleep would it not be for Volcano Suns, who opened, and ripped the house up. Didn't even stay around for the second squirrel bait set. Summary: See Sonic Youth and Volcano Suns. If you have drugs, go see Gone, if not stay home. Always see Government Issue, especially if you haven't. stay away from squirrelbait. Go see Indigesti. Look for Sonic Youth in a Video edition of the WDC period. Also Psychodrama. Rumor has it skateboards are the new yuppie things. Is this true?? If not why did Hofmann go buy one ?? tim [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 29 Jul 86 14:24:00 PST From: "ROSSI J.A." Subject: Whats new in HINRG? Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." Pascal called me last night to inform me that TRANS-X's latest album was released on Atco last week. He also appologizes for becomming the darling of the 'Gay-Disco' set, and assures me that the new album is more in line with what Hofboyy (note:I got the correct duplicate letter this time) hates in Euro-Techno-Wimpy pop. Pascal is using two backup females for vocals now so now he should sound like a cross between Kraftwerk and The Eurithmetics. Anyway, for the few fans of Living on Video, it is the first single from this album (its on both) and has hit the CA charts with a bullet. Knowing his flair for extravagance, I'll be surprised to see a fully listenable album this time, but, Who Knows? If the LH party is going to be anytime between 21 AUG and 26 AUG we can have it in Arlington, VA. APA is in Washington, and I'll have a suite at the Guest Quarters there for that time. It offers all the amenities and, I havent trashed a hotel during a convention since 1977. Even if there is no organized party there at that time, any LH locals can feel free to come over and start one during that week. Please note, however, I do not have A. as a middle name as my stupid mailer keeps telling the world. At any rate, I'd be interested if anything worthwile is going on in the Wash-Balt-Phil area during that time to find out. John [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 22:32:24 edt From: Joe Turner Subject: K-T-shirts; KriTique of _Lionheart_ pressing. I was thinking of a design more along one side only... but that's personal preference. Costs change depending on what type of shirt you ask for -- after being around science-fiction conventions, which are notorious for t-shirt-mania, the consensus I've found is that Haynes Beefy-T's are the best t-shirts to use for silkscreen printing. This is the type of shirt being used for the SF-Lover's t-shirt, which costs $6 - $8, depending on size. Costs will also change depending on how carefully you ask them to check the shirts. It will also change for double-sided printing. You can expect to pay no more than $10 for an excellant quality, single-sided t-shirt, possibly in two colors. (I'd rather go for three-color printing, but two-color is more economical) As for a design, I was thinking of something more general and simple. The front of the shirt would be: __________ _____________/ \_____________ | | | ______________ | ----------+ | / +---------- | K | / B | | |/ | | A |\ U | | | \ | | T | \ S | | | | E H | |__________________| The words "Kate Bush" could either be in "Hounds of Love" calligraphy, or, as someone suggested, in "Kick Inside" lettering. On the back, in "Hounds of Love" calligraphy, would be: ___________ _______________/ \_______________ | | | | ---------+ LOVE +---------- | HOUNDS | | | | | | love-hounds@mit-eddie | | | | 'the pull of the bush' | | | |________________________| Additional suggestions: remove the net address and make the KT logo in dot-matrix form? The quote from "The Dreaming" also seemed quite ap- propriate... In regards to a gathering... the summer *is* nearing the end (like, a month until college starts back up), so it should be soon. Boston is quite far from anywhere, so I was thinking, NYC? DC? Philly? Some major area like that... Andy Marvick, maybe we can contribute a few bucks and fly/bus/train you out here... or get in a car with some other Californians and make the trek! (Let's be a tad unrealistic, why don't we?) I know - let's all meet in the geographic center of the country! Better yet, let's all fly to the UK and have a get-together with the Bush family! ("Like, party at Kate's house, her folks are away for the weekend...!") But seriously, how prohibitively expensive would it be for people to get to the east coast? Other KaTe stuff: I recently picked up the US pressing of "Lionheart". DANGER! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! What a horrible pressing! The sound is PITIFUL - very fuzzy and crackly, and there was even a dimple in the record at the beginning of "In the Warm Room". I returned the thing to Newbury Comics, and got another. Same problems! Blech. Stupid me for not buying import. AVOID AMERICAN PRESSINGS OF _LIONHEART_!!!! Talking to the clerk, I understand there are many returns of _Lionheart_ due to imperfections. Let's go firebomb an EMI-America record plant, then they'll have to build a newer (better?) one... Later. Save your parity bits for big cash prizes! Joe +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ |PAPER: Joe Turner, 329 Ward Street, Newton Centre MA 02159 | |SOUND: (617)/965-8058 +====================================+| |CSNET: cutter@umass-boston | Life in the so-called space age... || |ARPA : umb!cutter@csnet-relay +====================================+| |UUCP : {decvax,ima,linus,sri-unix}!cca!ringwld!cutter | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:33 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: Who wants "to keep the shirt away..."? Not IED To: John Rossi Re: KT-shirts Sounds great, John. IED's all in favor of using what sounds like your vast network of T-shirt-making experts. We have to see the design, however, unless we can describe it very precisely in Love-Hounds. About Doug's reminder that it was going to be a "Dreaming" t-shirt, o.k., but you're just talking about the picture part of the design, and maybe the quotation on the back, right, Doug? The front of the shirt should still say "Love-Hounds" on it. Also, there are several great lines that could be used as the quotation, not just the "Houdini" line. Still, that IS a great line; IED approves. So, we've got "Love-Hounds" in HoL script (or the closest thing to it that's available) on the front at the top, with the lines: "An international / Kate Bush / computer forum" printed below that, in smaller blocks, upper- and lower-case. There should still be room for the picture below that. If we use a photo, remember that for a good silkscreen the original can't be too dark, should have a lot of contrast and very clear contour lines. The Dreaming cover is a pretty good candidate in this regard; even better on these counts is the Ninth Wave outer cover photo, at least the section of the photo with Kate's face. Then, on the back, the quotation, two or three lines long, in HoL script, and below that either "Kate Bush" or better yet the KT logo. After all, it's pretty obvious from the front that the quotation on the back is by Kate, right? We don't want this shirt to seem too obvious.Or we could just have the title on the front, and put the picture on the back. The only thing is, IED thought it cost a certain amount of money per letter for these things, isn't that right? Does the estimate John made include any length of quotation? Also, how sharp and small can the letters be? [][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Re: Sonic Fucking Youth Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 13:02:13 PDT From: trainor@CS.UCLA.EDU SquirrelBait/Volcano Suns/ Save your money and don't go see squirrel bait. I was so unimpressed that I was overcome with boredom. I would have fallen asleep would it not be for Volcano Suns, who opened, and ripped the house up. Didn't even stay around for the second squirrel bait set. Who the hell is in Squirrel Bait? They stole the name. Now they've gone and ruined it... I'll sue!!! Douglas [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:55 PDT From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: wKAing ThE witch: Yeah, but not THAT kind of awakening Sorry, this "come" business in "Waking the Witch" just doesn't hold water with IED, who is no prude, but simply can't see any clear basis for the interpretation. As IED sees the song, the character is asking for help from her confessor BECAUSE she has been accused of being a witch; the main purpose for her confession is to seek the protection of the Church, NOT to admit that she is guilty. Her hope of salvation is a metaphor for her hope for protection -- and, of course, both are forlorn. But Doug's interpretation introduces a completely irrelevant, even conflicting scene, wherein the character not only confesses real sins (in the Church's eyes, mind you, not in IED's), but RE-ENACTS them in the confessional! Give IED a break, Doug! [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 16:56:44 EDT From: seismo!umcp-cs!aplvax!cp1!uucpesac@amsaa.arpa Apparently-To: The Bible says that you shall put no false Gods or Goddesses in front of you... love-hounds sinners, repent and go to Church. Throw away your evil records and compact disks, now... and you will be saved. Trust in the lord and read your bible. Randy Fitzwater [][][][][][][][][][] Subject: If and when someone does make a t-shirt, count me in for a large From: KNIGHT@MAINE (Michael Knight) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 14:42:56 EDT If and when someone does make a t-shirt, count me in. I'm also submitting to this forum the following idea. We need to design an emblem for this conference, a visible icon to represent us in the future, and on our t-shirt immediately. I feel this icon should be in the form of a robotic dog: a love-hound. Here's one I'm submitting now to start off with. Perhaps everyone who wants to could submit ideas over the net and we could compile them into it's own special digest, on which we could vote. Of course the final silkscreen need not be an exact duplicate, but general layout, slogans, and lettering could be decided (or not decided) in this way. _ ----------------- V---- \\ / \ / o\ \\ / \/ _ \ \\ / \ / \_/ \Y \ / / Love-Hounds V / \ /_____________________________\ This fellow might be doing all sorts of cute things, like admiring a Kate Bush logo. _________ _ ----------------- V---- | / \\ / \ / o\ | / \\ / \/ _ \ | / \\ / \ / \_/ |/ \Y \ / |\ / Love-Hounds V | \ / \ | \ /_____________________________\ | \ I leave this up to you folks. Doug, how about it? Michael Knight Bitnet: Knight@Maine [][][][][][][][][][] Posted-Date: 29 Jul 86 18:16:57 PDT (Tue) Subject: So on July 30th God said, "Let there be Kate." Date: 29 Jul 86 18:16:57 PDT (Tue) From: tsung@aerospace.ARPA I want a picture on the T-shirt!! Are we gonna get in trouble if we print the "Gold key" pic? fst [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:22:51 EDT From: JURGEN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Subject: PG's childhood... Can anybody tell me where Peter Gabriel is from? I know that he got his higher education in England, but i seem to notice another accent in when he speaks. Both his english and his german have something of an eastern european sound to them... just wondering, JEB [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 11:54:30 EDT From: John Lorch Love-Hounds Digest Issue L12 >If anyone is interested in taking some real adventures in musical >innovation rather than spending the summer on the tame (though pretty) >stuff KB is doing these days, most of CAN's albums are available (when >you can find them) for under five dollars. Do yourself a favor. Find >out what Holger Czukay was like before he grew up. >Chris Valas Let's hear it for Holger! I think the stuff he's done since he grew up is pretty hot, too. "Movies" is an incredible album, if only for "Persian Love" and "Cool in the Pool". His next two, "on the way to the peak of normal" and "den Osten ist Rot", are good but (I think) more difficult. I have two Irmin Schmidt albums, "Toy Planet" and "Film Music vol.1" both are quite fine, and highly recommended. > IED's desert island pop top ten list, NOT including Kate, is as >follows: > 1. Japan: Tin Drum and Gentlemen Take Polaroids > 2. David Sylvian: Brilliant Trees > 3. YMO: BGM and Technodelic > 4. Ippu-Do: Night Mirage > 5. Miharu Koshi: Tutu and Parallelisme Another Japanese music fan. Good taste, IED. Have you tried following the YMO clan as solos? Quite an expensive hobby, but worthwhile. Are there other LH "Nipponophiles" out there? >Many people have claimed that PGIII is the PGs of all PGs. I've heard several people on the net say that. My personal two drachmas worth is that PGIV is the best. The only song that I think is less than a masterpiece on that album is "Kiss of Life", which is still a good song. BTW, if and when he tours, sell your mother for a seat, but *go see him*. I've seen him six times, and he has been absolutely incredible each time. The last two (same tour, a week apart) were the weakest, I think because of the computer lighting, but still blew away anyone else I've ever seen. I'd be interested in seeing Bruce Springsteen just to compare the two. >(Melanie would be my first choice and ? Oldfield who does work with >Mike Oldfield and did the memorable vocal on Voyage of the Acolyte, >second). Sally Oldfield, worthy of some attention herself. Just a note- SO is, technically, PG VII. "Plays Live" and "Birdy" both appeared in there. I know, live albums don't really count, and I can see arguments for calling Birdy only a half, but ... >I am unsure how to get the journal "Bit". Maybe you should come to my house, >IED, and I'll show it to you. Perhaps you could appear for.... (drum roll, >pleez...) > The Second Semi-quarterly Biannual LOVE-HOUNDS Summer Gathering of > Wits, Bodies, Food, Money, Records and etc!!! >Time to be decided. Place to be decided. But it's the summer, and >probably nearing the release date of HoL from last year, definately >time for a 6-month anniversary of LH's continued existance, it's >getting to be Kate's b-day soon, and it's a good excuse for a party, >anyway! Comments? Suggestions? Maybe we could even have the LH >t-shirt printed in time for it... By the by, the price of a t-shirt, >to be printed up and everything, would be about $6 - $8. Funny you should mention it. This past Saturday was the date of the (drum roll, please) Fourth Annual Peter Gabriel/Kate Bush WJHU Memorial Crab Feast a grand tradition that was started on the occaision of Pete's last concert tour (yes, it's been four years), which I believe occurred either on or near Kate's bday. I counted at least three LoveHound denizens there - meself, Sue Trowbridge, and a mystery guest who asked to remain anonymous. Maybe we should expand on this next time. >(Oh, and Douglas... as soon as those "The Dreaming" cd's come in, I'll give >you a ring....) When? Where? I want one, too! John Lorch JHU/HCF veteran of the soon-to-be late lamented WJHU [][][][][][][][][][] End of Love-Hounds Digest