Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!mordor!sri-spam!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!SRI-NIC.ARPA!SAPPHO From: SAPPHO@SRI-NIC.ARPA Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: libertarianism Message-ID: <12232680725.38.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Thu, 21-Aug-86 19:22:09 EDT Article-I.D.: RED.12232680725.38.MCGREW Posted: Thu Aug 21 19:22:09 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 22-Aug-86 09:19:06 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: SAPPHO@SRI-NIC.ARPA Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 30 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu I think I can see Keith's point about wrong things being wrong even if they are done for a good cause, because I believe the same thing about war and killing. Many times people pose pacifists the question of whether they would not kill in this or that extreme case. And perhaps in one or another of those cases I would change my mind. It is hard to continue to believe in nonviolence when it is met, as it often is, with violence, and when there doesn't seem to be a practical nonviolent alternative. But I see that a mentality of violence, war, and terrorism is perpetuating itself in this world, and that people who start out killing for the best of reasons can wind up killing for the worst, and so I believe that all wars and killing are wrong, even those in a good cause. But I have a few questions. Keith, when you say that something which is wrong is always wrong do you mean that the only moral rules are absolute ones? Are there no actions you would consider moral or immoral that depend on the situation? And where do you derive your beliefs about right and wrong to begin with? I think I understand why, given your set of values, you consider libertarianism to be the most moral form of government, but I still don't understand what is going to make someone who isn't libertarian become libertarian. You seem to be saying that these beliefs are not just your own whim or personal value judgment, but are somehow inherently true. Why are they inherently true? Lynn Gazis sappho@sri-nic ------- -------