Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!mordor!sri-spam!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!XEROX.COM!hibbert.pa From: hibbert.pa@XEROX.COM Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: re: a 'bad batch' of cigarettes Message-ID: <12233233142.16.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Sat, 23-Aug-86 21:56:40 EDT Article-I.D.: RED.12233233142.16.MCGREW Posted: Sat Aug 23 21:56:40 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 24-Aug-86 03:01:59 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: hibbert.pa@xerox.com Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 46 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu [[Having drugs regulated ... doesn't stop illegal activities (e.g. cigarettes, in which there is a multi-million dollar activity to illegally move cigarettes without paying taxes on them ...)]] And having banks regulated doesn't stop illegal activities there either. :-) What I object to is the government declaring particular actions which don't infringe the rights of non-consentors to be illegal. It's okay with me (when I'm willing to concede that government is okay for some things) if agressive acts are made illegal. [[Amphetimines and depressants, which are regulated by doctors (the government allows them to give the stuff out pretty much as they please) are a megabuck illegal business.]] I think a better characterization is that the government allows the doctors to regulate those drugs. There is still a lot of government control in this area; doctors aren't allowed individually to give it out as they please, they are allowed to give it out pretty much as the AMA pleases. [[Clearly, making such drugs legalized would lower the prices and raise quality, but would the increased availability (I think it likely that if prices go down, people will simply buy more of it) damage us as a society more than the value of the removal of the criminal element? Unfortunately, I don't have any good answers for that. - CWM]] I think the evidence is at least equivocal about the effects of increased availability. The experience of Britain and the Scandinavian countries shows that legal use of drugs can be much more benign than (this country's experience of) illegal use. I can look for references if you like. I will also argue that much more important than the undefined and unknown "benefit to society" of the change is letting people use their bodies as they see fit. The argument is similar to that in "a free press isn't worth anything if it only protects _popular_ speech". Chris -------