Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!MC.LCS.MIT.EDU!kfl%mx.lcs.mit.edu From: kfl%mx.lcs.mit.edu@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: Natural rights Message-ID: <12233231944.16.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Sat, 23-Aug-86 21:50:05 EDT Article-I.D.: RED.12233231944.16.MCGREW Posted: Sat Aug 23 21:50:05 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 24-Aug-86 03:13:02 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: kfl%mx.lcs.mit.edu@mc.lcs.mit.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 36 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu To: foy@AEROSPACE.ARPA From: foy@aerospace.ARPA ... Some seem to say that people have a right to do anything they want economically, but also have a right to be free from phyusical agression. They seem to imply that these are natural rights. Yep. Read Ayn Rand. And the Declaration of Independence. I would like to understand where they think these rights come from. It seems to me that these "rights" are arbitrary sets of rules defined by arbitrary methods, by arbitrarily selected groups of people. Nope. Read Ayn Rand. To illustrate my concern with a little story: Suppose; ... He asks me to sign a piece oaf paper ... It has lots of big words that I don't understand ... deeds and mortgage and interest... One day a man in a Uniform ... tells me I have to move off my farm tomorrow. ... A contract is not a piece of paper. It is a meeting of minds. A contract is not binding if one of the parties did not understand it. Opponents of libertarian philosophy often bring up stories in which the population does not consist of rational adults, but of children, feebleminded people, criminals, insane people, or people in a sinking lifeboat. Do we really want a system which treats everyone as if they were like that? Is that the most realistic view of the people of this country? ...Keith -------