Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!caip!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!ICSD.UCI.EDU!tim From: tim@ICSD.UCI.EDU Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: Re: Personal liberty Message-ID: <12226108750.23.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Sun, 27-Jul-86 17:41:13 EDT Article-I.D.: RED.12226108750.23.MCGREW Posted: Sun Jul 27 17:41:13 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 27-Jul-86 21:17:18 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: tim@icsd.uci.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 35 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu Return-Path: To: "Keith F. Lynch" Subject: Re: Personal liberty Date: Mon, 14 Jul 86 11:35:12 -0800 From: Tim Shimeall >From: Keith F. Lynch >3) The libertarian solution: People can do what they want, so long as > they do not infringe another person's rights. But they must take > responsibility for the consequences of their actions. If someone > fails to use a seatbelt, and gets badly injured, taxpayer money > will not be used for medical treatment. Problems: None. Pardon me, but I see a couple of problems with this approach: a) How do you discern behavior that infringes with another person's rights? In our society, there are a lot of seemingly personal and private functions which may strongly interfere with other people. One example: Sex between unmarried teen-agers: many girls are choosing to keep their babies, but cannot support them (no job skills, no income...). If society ("the taxpayers") refuse to support them, numerous large problems result (health hazards, for one). If society agrees to support them, then a large amount of money (read, "ever-increasing taxes") is needed to provide this support. At present, I'm not aware of any good solution to this problem, except prevention (LOTS of education, plus LOTS of available contraception), which needs taxpayer support. (And who decides what the education is to include? Which/who's morality is to be taught?) b) How do you provide prior restraint to control infringing behavior, in cases where enforcement is impossible, or where the participants in this behavior CANNOT bear the consequences of their actions? Tim -------