Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!BU-CS.BU.EDU!bzs From: bzs@BU-CS.BU.EDU Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: Re: Press Censorship - really anti-Zionism Message-ID: <12235887620.16.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Wed, 3-Sep-86 00:58:09 EDT Article-I.D.: RED.12235887620.16.MCGREW Posted: Wed Sep 3 00:58:09 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 3-Sep-86 05:14:21 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: bzs@bu-cs.bu.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 35 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu From: cramer@SUN.COM >Fortunately, the American Jewish community, which is >virtually entirely pro-Zionist... That's quite a statement, I don't believe that. There are (at least) two significant groups who are not pro-Zionist (at least not in any sense that is being used here.) 1. A segment of the Orthodox who believe that the return to Israel will occur upon the coming of the Messiah. I was raised by people who, although sympathetic to Israel for political reasons (read: fear) were deeply troubled by this contradiction. 2. The traditional leftist Jewish community who deeply questions the validity of the current Israeli state and the methods by which it came into being (note, of course there are Zionist leftists, many in the Israeli Kibbutz movement.) If I remember correctly (it's been a while) the Jewish leftist newspaper Freiheit expresses these feelings as editorial policy. At any rate, just looking for an example. I certainly have known many such people in my life. I don't believe these people are insignificant, just perhaps in Mr. Cramer's experience as neither group tends to be socially affable with Jews they fundamentally disagree with. Perhaps he will claim this was adequately covered by his use of the word "virtually". I don't think so. If he had said the "majority" I would have to agree, but I believe the point I make is important as the press etc seems to believe in this unanimity also. It t'aint necessarily so. -Barry Shein, Boston University -------